Brexititeers- what are you looking forward to?

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Just as an aside, I tried typing Brexiteers into the subject bar and it auto corrected to Brexiteers rest home.

Sorry Gronky I realised I put two unrelated points into the same post, my fault.

Not so much the campaign itself, but the high profile hangers on (such as Tommy Robinson and people like that) gave a platform for some pretty abhorrent views which really depressed me.

Not so much the campaign itself, but the high profile hangers on (such as Tommy Robinson and people like that) gave a platform for some pretty abhorrent views which really depressed me.

On the note of Tommy Robinson, the way UKIP have moved from being a party with a platform that incidentally attracts racists (and loonies) to one that is, in my opinion, now racist at its core (I realise some may disagree, claiming that it is still the same and others possibly claiming it was always racist) worries me in the event that what is perceived as a weak Brexit or no Brexit is delivered. It wouldn't take a great deal to tip the scales and deliver them a significant handful of MPs if they successfully capitalised upon resentment in areas with a strong Leave base.

I'm not sure we agree on the various incarnations of UKIP, but I think we both agree that racists getting any kind of power is not a good thing in any way.

What a horrid prospect, but that scenario is entirely plausible.

The highest court of justice for the UK should be in the UK.

Gosh, that's rare that someone says they don't want to be a member of the WTO, either. Coz obviously don't want to be subject to the WTO arbitration process either, since don't want a court > UK Supreme. Hardcore!!

The WTO arbitration system is not a court and deals only with trade disputes between countries.
I have been through this so many times on these threads.
It is the ECJ I object to.

The ECHR?

Leaving the EU :-)

At the moment, immigration is disproportionately comprised of nationals from EU countries

It's the opposite - immigration has increased from among those groups which we have complete control over, EU immigration has declined significantly.

It's the opposite - immigration has increased from among those groups which we have complete control over, EU immigration has declined significantly

I call that redressing the balance and personally speaking I'm more than fine with that.

If people from the EU have decided they don't want to work over here then that's fine, there are people from outside of the EU with the relevant skills that would like to/have already taken up the opportunity.

I would like to see an equal playing field in the near future with the same rules applied regardless of where you come from. I cant see how anyone could have an issue with that.

Gronky some of our Indian and Filipino nurses told me they had voted Leave for similar reasons. They went a bit further than the average Brexiteer, in that they recognised that the U.K. economy would collapse on leaving the EU and hoped that would usher in a new Windrush era. The Indian nurses were also pissed off that the UK had cast potential Indian migrants aside to invite in white migrants from the EU instead, and thought the UK deserved a good kicking for that. Obviously as a Remainer I wouldn’t agree, but they are the only Leavers I have talked to in depth who managed to be both not racist and not completely deluded about the likely result of leaving.

@Coppersulphate you haven't answered Kenn's post. Do you care about peace in Northern Ireland? I'm guessing not?

So there is going to be a 3rd vote on a deal that has been rejected twice already!

Interesting to note that the majority that voted against no deal was a lot less than the majority that voted against the WA.

@PickleSarnie

Nope, they’re reserved for Scottish people if Scotland goes independent... it’s the Scottish National animal.

The U.K. gets lions.

Why can't remainers accept there was a campaign. Information on both sides was poor. Leave won. We want to leave. Not all leavers are racist, deluded, aged over 90, ill educated or loonies. Why is it remainers assume they are correct and superior in all ways and leavers are scum? What happened to democracy and respect?

I don't think all leave voters are old, racist or stupid.

I do however, blame them for the absolute shit show that is going on. Please don't say you didn't know, because you were all told, the same as we were, what was coming.

It was dismissed as "project fear" so it's not that people "didn't know", they didn't believe it.

I'm all for democracy, which is why it's clear a GE is needed.

As for respect, I don't respect anyone who brought us to here.

I accept we want to Leave. I want to be a couple of dress sizes smaller (although I'm not sure why anymore ). What I do know is that it takes hard work and compromise on my part to get there. Something many Leave voters won't accept, particularly the compromise bit.

I do however, blame them for the absolute shit show that is going on

I don't. Poor implementation by government and point scoring by MP's in general is at fault. Labour MP's never miss an opportunity to criticize the Conservative party for Brexit being a mess, but when asked what would they do that is better they are short on answers.

Diane Abbot on QT a few weeks ago near enough said that Labour would oppose whatever May put forward. Labour trying to get a GE through the back door I think.

Poor implementation by government and point scoring by MP's in general is at fault

I agree that's part of it. Without a Leave vote none of it would be happening though.

I also agree that Labour are as bad, they've been taken over by power hungry people with their own agenda.

However, it is the campaign and the vote which has divided 4 nations, the supposed union, in which only Westminster gets a say. Propped up (at times) by the DUP.

The reality that the future is to be decided by a group of people incapable of behaving any better than toddlers in a sandpit and just as rowdy is a frightening one.

Leave voters got us to here.

If they were so sure it was the right thing, why complain?

What is happening is what was voted for. We're told that often enough aren't we?

sashki gronki
some of our Indian and Filipino nurses told me they had voted Leave for similar reasons

Right- letting SOME foreigners vote and not others (directly affected) was utterly unjust. It's not like EU citizens are 'favoured' at all. UK citizens also get the same privileges in the rest of the EU, it's not one sided ffs!

If the 'hostile environment' gets more hostile, it'll get more hostile for everyone including Indian nurses. All my Commonwealth friends voted Remain. They'd like everyone to be treated better, not see yet another Windrush (since you bring it up).

I'll agree Song, my friends whose parents were part of the Windrush generation all voted Remain, as did their parents.

Mostly because the Windrush scandal happened and the thought of the Tories having free rein to intensify their "hostile environment" without the mitigation of the ECJ is terrifying.

I cannot think of any good reasons for staying in the EU. I am not interested in the economics of it. To me this is much more fundamental than money.

Well you should be because this attitude is one which could cripple our economy and make life worse for everyone.

Many people on here don't live in the UK even though they are still UK citizens or dual nationals, so should have no say in the matter.

Where's your evidence for this?

Interesting that one of the few leave voters here isn't concerned with the financial aspect of leaving

I'm all right Jack

Without a Leave vote none of it would be happening though

If you look backwards you can blame almost anything.

If Cameron had not agreed to a referendum there would have been no leave vote.

If UK had not joined EU in 1975 there would not have been a leave vote.

If there had not been WWII EU would not have been formed and there would not have been a leave vote.

If Hitler had been born there would not have been WWII, hence an EU which UK joined there would not have been a leave vote.

You could go on forever.

Witch hunts never achieve anything and it won't help UK to move forward and get out of the current mess.

How about the people who live, work and pay taxes in the UK, and had no say.
How was that fair?