Westminstenders: Waiting for the vote that never comes

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March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
March 13th: Vote on No Deal if WA fails to pass on the 12th
March 14th: Vote on an a50 extension.

The March 14th vote is the most important, though the others are still important and we have no idea how nuclear the ERG or the moderates will ultimately go in terms of blowing the Tory Party apart.

Even if May's Deal does pass we need an extension. We've known this a long time, from a British POV, but the EU have now explicitly said that they will need a technical extension to ratify the WA if we now approve it. We also need an extension if we decide to go for No Deal because we will have legal chaos as the HoC hasn't passed the necessary legislation for No Deal either. But this isn't the EU's problem...

With feelings in the EU becoming more bitter the idea of an extension might be more difficult to come by, if May hasn't passed the WA by the 29th March though.

The EU and May are therefore both aligned with a mutual interest to get the WA passed by 29th March for this reason. Which might mean the EU do play tough on granting us an extension (at least initially) if we formally ask for one on the 14th March in order to help persuade the HoC vote for May's deal before the deadline of the 29th March.

I think we should expect the WA to fail to pass on the 12th March. There just aren't the numbers for it. Then hardball politics from the EU commence on the 14th - it might well be a long extension or nothing. May will then try and do MV3 before the 29th March. If it passes, May's happy and the EU are happy. If it fails... well... I think the EU might give way to a shorter extension at that point, but very begrudgingly. And the idea will be for MV4 or the July cliff edge.

Until then we sit waiting forever for the sun to start going around the earth and for pigs to fall out of the sky.

HT at primary assures me that the catering company have secured their supply chain and are in talks with the government. Hmmm. Love to know what exactly they e secured seeing as no one knows what's going on and their food will mainly come the EU.

The cancer thread on AIBU is quite an amazing thing.

If the govt was serious about strengthening workers’ rights or even keeping pace with EU rights, they should give the same strict enforcement protections granted to competition rules in the Withdrawal Agreement’s backstop.
Critical article on Workers Rights.

If the govt was serious about strengthening workers’ rights or even keeping pace with EU rights

Look any government that introduces tribunal fees of £1200 in some cases never was serious about protecting workers rights!

The introduction of fees in employment tribunals between 2013 and 2017 led to a 70% drop in people able to enforce their rights.

It was only those evil (but actually principled) courts that protected workers and said the introduction of fees was unlawful because it prevented access to justice for the man and woman in the street.

Sparkly my primary hasn't even replied to my first email. A lady I spoke to last week who's son is in a different school said their school has sent out a letter going through robust policy and contingency plans. I feel like our office is full of ostrich leavers desperately sticking their fingers in their ears.

Is it rude for me to email again suggesting they liaise with other HT (specifically the school I know has actually worked on one) to formulate a plan? I don't generally care if they think I'm mad as a box of frogs and want them to realise other schools are actually doing something. It's a new HT which makes it frustrating.

The tide has massively turned though Mother - the vast majority of posters are furious, and unsurprised, at the consequences of Brexit. There are I think only about 4 Leavers posting prolifically with well-trodden tropes.

Nothing from either school here...

The repeated harking back to "the war" is bizarre on so many levels.

There's more than an underlying suggestion that it was somehow better to have a war that if we hadn't ....

It also missed the point that Britain had much less choice about entering the war than it does over Brexit - a totally self imposed hardship.

It's also interesting to see the rise of a new shift in narrative - subtle, but already picked up on this thread. That somehow Britain needs the oncoming wind of chaos to somehow "purify" us in a chilling pseudo-religious invocation of divine intervention. Dovetails seamlessly into the standard Tory view that the poor are poor as a result of their moral deficiencies.

We will now hum tunelessly sing All Things Bright and Beautiful

"purify" us in a chilling pseudo-religious invocation of divine intervention.

Makes them sound like complete fanatics to be honest. This kind of dangerous nihilistic thinking should not be encouraged. It leads down a very dark path.

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Survived the war

I hate that one. Lots of people DIDN'T survive the war in this country, never mind anywhere else. It really is THE most ignorant comment of them all tbh.

We paid off the last bit of our war debt to the US in 2006, iirc
And didn't we go cap in hand and beg them (for hours) not to put interest on? To which they said "hahahaha".

Something like that anyway. We have a special relationship with US alright, just not the one the politicians tell us we have.

I think it was @bearbehind who used to regularly ask Brexiters what the benefits of leaving were, with specifics, not sound bites.

She never got any real responses (I think the ability to stop live transport across borders of animals for slaughter was one )

I notice that even the sound bites of how much better life will be once the UK Brexits have disappeared .

Now all we hear from Brexiters (when they're not keeping their heads down ) is reiterations of Project Fear - it won't be that bad or, it will be worth it to be free but can't define what specifically is wrong with what they want to be free from

LTL fabulous post earlier.

I spoke to and emailed Wiltshire Farm Foods who supply frozen meals to the elderly, including my demented mother, re Brexit prep weeks ago. Still had no response from my email to the Chief Exec, whilst the person on the phone seemed to imagine that as the meals were prepared in this country there was nothing to worry about. The fact that the ingredients are sourced from the EU hadn't registered.

Was speaking to an old friend last night and we agreed that many many people just go about their lives not really joining the dots about how society actually operates. As intelligent and educated people it's easy to forget this reality. I think many leavers have this gaping big hole in understanding in spades,hence the dawning realisation only now, in some cases, or covering up their ignorance with ridiculous blustering or Facebook- sources meaningless slogans.

Declining local services for example, might be happily blamed on the local authority but without making the connection about why - funding cuts. And if that is presented as a reason would be countered with lazy stuff about crooked politicians lining own pockets.

I made some comments at work about cheap meat and poor animal welfare standards, and it was clear that this equation had never entered their mind.

Some people just never grasp the bigger picture. Some are wilfully ignorant. Both have been led by the truly wicked into the current toxic nightmare we face.

And we will all suffer for it. Bigly.

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Makes them sound like complete fanatics to be honest. This kind of dangerous nihilistic thinking should not be encouraged. It leads down a very dark path

Well, we'd better get torches then, because we've already passed the signs.

(Some may recall an excellent US magazine "OMNI" from yesteryear. It had a cartoon in one edition with two cavemen at a fork in the road. One path labelled "Paradise" and the other "Rocky road to ruin". The cavemen had started on the "Rocky road" and the caption read You can't fool homo sapiens with that old trick )

I wonder if; bizarrely - but then religion is a form of lunacy - if there are some people who think the UK has it too easy as a result of EU membership and somehow deserves to suffer. And voted Leave as a result. As I never tire of pointing out, we used to burn witches to save their souls. Just because we don't act that way at times isn't a guarantee we don't think that way at times.

Cramming a lot into a single post I see the kwik-fix brigade got up early to start petitions on tougher sentences for knife crime. If we could harness 1/100th that energy into tackling homelessness or poverty, it would be a fucking miracle wondrous thing.

{It leads down a very dark path.}
I, and most of Europe are being dragged down a dark path by the fuckwit bastards who voted leave. It is high time they were called out for their gross stupidity.

Christ that Aibu thread

Looking at the nihilist Leavers online,
they range from those totally ignorant of how modern trade & transport works to a few highly informed but fanatics like Pete North

this nihilism seems to come from those who cannot accept the current social & economic order, so want to blow it ll up and remake it from scratch, the way they want

Characteristics:

. hate centrist politics and have twisted that to themselves being victims, with centrists, Remainers & the EU as fascists & Nazis who are oppressing them

• refusing to follow their views & desired policies = oppression

. hard right authoritarian - want the return of the death penalty, caning in schools, abolish equal marriage and any offences of hate crimes, racial discrimination etc

. which fits with extreme nationalism and wanting to build up a much larger military

. paid for by rolling back the welfare state and abolishing all provision except for the severely disabled and the elderly

. Want to just be allied to the USA, Israel and the Anglosphere.
Want to destroy the EU and - those like the Norths - to replace it with something British-led

. also want to stop immigration
and some even - but they usually whisper this quietly -
expel almost all immigrants and their decendents who have arrived since WW2, to bring the white Brit % in the UK back to 99%

also want to stop immigration and some even - but they usually whisper this quietly - expel almost all immigrants and their decendents who have arrived since WW2, to bring the white Brit % in the UK back to 99%

Have you seen that massive bus that's just left the station ? You're too late, it's already picking up passengers. Look at the ISIS bride debate and how quickly it got down to not being really British, as her parents were't properly British.

On that basis, I'm on the next train out (especially as my British DM has passed away now). Who else would join me. I wonder if they'd waste money on fake stations so we can all feel jolly as we trip off at the other end ? There's probably a Brexit contract for that - bet Grayling gets that right.

And another thing...From the Independent -"Defence secretary Gavin Williamson says military 'ready to respond' to knife crime crisis
as police chief admits 'we just don’t have enough officers'
The UK armed forces "stand ready" to intervene in the knife crime epidemic, the defence secretary has said.
Gavin Williamson said military personnel "would always be ready to respond" to calls for help while the Ministry of Defence "always stands ready to help any government department"."

Can some- one please give me the heads up once we've officially become a military controlled dictatorship? Because I'm not sure I'll be able to spot once we've passed the point of no return.

I think it was bearbehind who used to regularly ask Brexiters what the benefits of leaving were, with specifics, not sound bites.

I did indeed prettybird but even I had to give up! It’s literally pointless! There are no benefits which stand up to scrutiny.

Sadly now that doesn’t matter - every Leaver I know has just dug their heels in now on principle and claims not to care if there are any benefits or not.

Can some- one please give me the heads up once we've officially become a military controlled dictatorship? Because I'm not sure I'll be able to spot once we've passed the point of no return.

There's a few dots to be joined, yet. But be ready for:

"Immigration behind knife crime;"
"Knife crime panic a cover for terrorism;"
"Sick paedos use knife crime fear to groom victims"
"Internet to blame for rise in knife crime"
"Lone parenting failures behind knife crime"

and so on.

As surgically observed in "Sherlock" ..

Magnussen: Knowing is owning.

Watson: But if you just know it, then you don’t have proof.

Magnussen: Proof? What would I need proof for. I’m in news, you moron. I don’t have to prove it, I just have to print it.

Who else would join me.

My family, and many families I know.

But at least MN have kept the cancer/isotopes thread in AIBU, instead of shunting it off to Brexit.