Westminstenders: Waiting for the vote that never comes

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March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
March 13th: Vote on No Deal if WA fails to pass on the 12th
March 14th: Vote on an a50 extension.

The March 14th vote is the most important, though the others are still important and we have no idea how nuclear the ERG or the moderates will ultimately go in terms of blowing the Tory Party apart.

Even if May's Deal does pass we need an extension. We've known this a long time, from a British POV, but the EU have now explicitly said that they will need a technical extension to ratify the WA if we now approve it. We also need an extension if we decide to go for No Deal because we will have legal chaos as the HoC hasn't passed the necessary legislation for No Deal either. But this isn't the EU's problem...

With feelings in the EU becoming more bitter the idea of an extension might be more difficult to come by, if May hasn't passed the WA by the 29th March though.

The EU and May are therefore both aligned with a mutual interest to get the WA passed by 29th March for this reason. Which might mean the EU do play tough on granting us an extension (at least initially) if we formally ask for one on the 14th March in order to help persuade the HoC vote for May's deal before the deadline of the 29th March.

I think we should expect the WA to fail to pass on the 12th March. There just aren't the numbers for it. Then hardball politics from the EU commence on the 14th - it might well be a long extension or nothing. May will then try and do MV3 before the 29th March. If it passes, May's happy and the EU are happy. If it fails... well... I think the EU might give way to a shorter extension at that point, but very begrudgingly. And the idea will be for MV4 or the July cliff edge.

Until then we sit waiting forever for the sun to start going around the earth and for pigs to fall out of the sky.

Grinchly actually I was not serious with my ' bizarre' theory and sorry you have to ' put up' with and 'tolerate' my views on this thread. It must be very difficult for you. I'm aware its DRGs wife it was a slip of the thumb. Thanks for your concern about my health though I appreciate it. I make no apologies about my bizarre views though ( blame it on the meds or alternatively my sense of humour)

*DGR apologies for typo

Bigchoc Riggers a great name for new independent party who want the middle ground. That will be appropriate as they jump around trying to find the middle ground!

Place marking, I know I don't add much of value but then again neither does the government

triggers really must make an effort to stop shaking!

On another note, the cashless society is heading our way. Think about what it will do to vulnerable people and immigrants:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-cash-machines-bank-branch-system-collapse-report-a8809136.html

I remember a few years ago they started talking about putting benefit payments on a card that you could only use in certain shops and not be able to have any cash, my blood froze at the thought, I hope it doesnt start making the rounds again tbh

Wasn't it 6th April there was a risk of ATM machines databases being voided or something. My memory for detail seems to be disappearing amongst all of the technicalities.

I think the general idea when I speak to leavers is we have "too much" at the moment - there's a feeling of excess in the general population that Brexit will reign in. Some sort of advanced Marie Kondo where they get to decide that nothing in your life brings them joy, so they will just bin it after some posturing in your hallway to make it appear legitimately for the benefit of the UK.

You can see it in the "we could all do with a little less choice/We don't need so much food/we survived the war/not everything is about money you know" comments. They've allowed the Tories to walk into the sweet shop and gather up the wares in armfuls whilst gleefully whistling to their friends in US to "come and join in!". This pretence of benefit to the general public when whole sectors are threatened or go down the pan is astounding.

Latest Guardian piece on food standards post Brexit

Chlorinated chicken and the use of hormones in animals and animal feed, along with the use of pesticides and food colourants, remain among the top concerns of the Soil Association, which will launch an updated food risk list for US-UK trade talks later this week.

“UK public health and wildlife could be negatively affected if our food and farming standards are sacrificed in pursuit of a US trade deal,” said Rob Percival, the organisation’s head of policy. “UK farmers have been making positive strides in recent years, reducing farm antibiotic use and these efforts risk being undermined by a trade deal that floods the UK market with US meat.”

I think the general idea when I speak to leavers is we have "too much" at the moment - there's a feeling of excess in the general population that Brexit will reign in. Some sort of advanced Marie Kondo where they get to decide that nothing in your life brings them joy, so they will just bin it after some posturing in your hallway to make it appear legitimately for the benefit of the UK.

OMG soooooo THIS! Are your in-laws my in-laws?!

Morning

Excellent post lonelyand

This...

They've allowed the Tories to walk into the sweet shop and gather up the wares in armfuls whilst gleefully whistling to their friends in US to "come and join in!". This pretence of benefit to the general public when whole sectors are threatened or go down the pan is astounding.

/we survived the war

The stupidity of this argument infuriates me. We survived and the sacrifice was necessary because we were fighting an evil regime which murdered 6 million people and destroyed the quality of lives of others who lived.

So now the whole country must suffer because of 40 or so greedy selfish men in the Tory party, want more more more. Yes, that's you Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Davis, Fox, Redwood and your chums.

Forget it - except we won't be able to forget it, we will all suffer except them.

Survived, yes
and those few years changed the UK from world superpower to an almost bankrupt state

(We paid off the last bit of our war debt to the US in 2006, iirc)

That sudden crash in status, with the consequent public, political & institutional problems in adjusting to this, has been the cause of many stupid decisions ever since

not everything is about money you know

This stupidity of this argument infuriates me. I had those exact words on FB direct at me -from my friend's Mum who passionately advocates Leave.

As if I somehow selfishly want the economy to thrive for my own benefit? As if I'm not motivated by those using food banks, or those parents whose children's schools are cutting hours, or about funding the NHS. Yet she thinks she is some kind of revolutionary with a monopoly on those concerns. In her view Leavers are the revolutionaries saving public services. Absurd.

The evil regime murdered 17 million people. Don't let history be rewritten.

{The evil regime murdered 17 million people. Don't let history be rewritten.}
Which evil regime would that be, Brits in Australia, Brits in India,???

Sorry, not trying to rewrite history - just didn't know the numbers. Was it 6 million Jewish people?

Either way, making a sacrifice to attempt to save millions..... but 40?

Thread on Brexit delays to cancer treatment.

There are still morons touting project fear.

After all, what does the royal college of radiographers know??

Jesus christ.

I need to formulate an e mail to my volunteers.

I need to make clear that in the event of a chaotic Brexit they are not to put their own safety at risk

Good times.

Ignore post was not meant to print it have reported it myself.

LeClerc Haven't seen death tolls for the UK yet, maybe because history is written by the victors. So we should see a new take on all the empire stuff written up in the next decade or so.

Peregrina 6 million Jews, which was two thirds of the European Jews plus an awful lot of Russians and many other undesirables like gays, travellers and the disabled.
Always judge a government by how they treat their most vulnerable. I judge our government harshly.

Why hasnt mn removed my post as requested? Its my mess I know bloody this g should not have been printed but its important I get it off

I’ve reported it as well Sos