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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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lonelyplanetmum · 15/02/2019 08:23

Sorry wasn't worth a double post- odd 'phone behaviour freezing screen.

borntobequiet · 15/02/2019 08:23

Morning from me. Now Diabetes UK have unequivocally stated their position, are we going to hear from other big medical charities? Or have we heard from them already?

feministfairy · 15/02/2019 08:24

Thank you all for these threads. Unbelievable times (and not in a good way).

prettybird · 15/02/2019 08:42

Seen in Venice

The world is laughing at us [......] the Brexit pizza [...] comes with everything but it actually comes with nothing and it is also very expensive and hard to digest

FUKD Sad (who knew that dh's acronym from 2.5 years ago would be such an accurate prophecy Shock)

Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?
Motheroffourdragons · 15/02/2019 08:53

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wherearemychickens · 15/02/2019 08:55

Lucy, I think she still thinks she's the best person for the job. There are going to be many, many PhDs analysing the character and decisions of Theresa May. Personally, to be causing this many people this much anxiety, I think she's sociopathic.

wherearemychickens · 15/02/2019 08:56

Or psychopathic - I never remember which is which.

GeistohneGrenzen · 15/02/2019 08:58

There are going to be many, many PhDs analysing the character and decisions of Theresa May....

I'd like to know the reasons for her bling always sporting ball or chain

wherearemychickens · 15/02/2019 09:00

I have a difficult decision to make now - work in an industry which won't be the first to be affected in a no-deal scenario, but will shortly afterwards, and massively so. I have the chance to go back to my old employer, where the people are much nicer than where I work now, but realistically it's going to mean handing in my notice around the third week of march. I won't do that until I have a signed contract, but I can just see it being last in, first out, so I'm really torn. All other things being equal, I would qgo in a heartbeat.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 15/02/2019 09:05

But that wasn’t his fault he couldn’t do it, lonely. It was number 10’s fault. It would have been totally fine if he’d been negotiating. Or something.

What an absolute clusterfuck.

icannotremember · 15/02/2019 09:05

Pmk

Lucygoeswalkies · 15/02/2019 09:33

wherearemychickens There are going to be many, many PhDs analysing the character and decisions of Theresa May.

Yes! Definitely this.

Lucygoeswalkies · 15/02/2019 09:40

@Chickens I don’t think there’s a lot to pick between a sociopath and a psychopath so either is probably correct - safe to say though that she lacks empathy.

TokyoSushi · 15/02/2019 09:47

PMK Gin

HazardGhost · 15/02/2019 09:48

Psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made I think...as in the latter it develops but the former is born like it.

Funnily enough I was just thinking this morning if Boris is a psychopath. I'm quite good at calling out a wrong'un when they are charming but his bumbling idiot routine is interesting. Is he pretending to show a child like vulnerability as manipulation? It's good. He's horrifying if that's true.

Is May a psychopath? I hadn't considered it... where's the manipulation? She's not charming, there's no gimmick to hoodwink. Would love to see her IQ profile.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 09:51

Tamara Cohen @ tsmcohen Dominic Grieve says a dozen pro-European ministers would resign if we were heading for no deal at end of Feb - including several in cabinet. Frustration is certainly building...

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... more talk, coz that's worked wonders so far.

Still no deal. Has no one realised yet ?

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2019 10:01

Tim Montgomerie @montie
If I was the PM looking at tonight’s defeat I’d conclude that I couldn’t trust the ERG.

Interesting to come from Tim Montgomerie...

And yes I agree DGR, but lets expose the yellow bellies and make sure we know exactly who said what and then ultimately sat on their hands.

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mrslaughan · 15/02/2019 10:04

@lonelyplanetmum - but they (the EU) did agree a deal...... it's just we changed out mind, moved the goalposts - no wonder the EU has had enough of us....

BollocksToBrexit · 15/02/2019 10:04

Funnily enough I was just thinking this morning if Boris is a psychopath. I'm quite good at calling out a wrong'un when they are charming but his bumbling idiot routine is interesting. Is he pretending to show a child like vulnerability as manipulation? It's good. He's horrifying if that's true.

The host on The Last Leg said that when they had Boris on he'd look in the mirror and deliberately mess his hair up just before camera roll.

mrslaughan · 15/02/2019 10:09

@BollocksToBrexit - I have heard the same thing. A v good friends brother had contact with him over the Olympics. Was in a taxi with him, arriving at the venue - saw reporters and intentionally ruffled his hair. He apparently thought nothing if him before this incident, but if possible thought even less after. (Can't imagine what he thinks now as he is Irish.....too scared to ask)

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 10:17

If I was the PM looking at tonight’s defeat I’d conclude that I couldn’t trust the ERG.

WTF does that mean ??? No one on these boards trusts the ERG - and hasn't since the year dot. Is the implication in that "news" that Theresa May has trusted the ERG all along ?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/02/2019 10:36

Mogg strikes again with his interesting views

lonelyplanetmum · 15/02/2019 10:37

but they (the EU) did agree a deal......it's just we changed out mind, moved the goalposts - no wonder the EU has had enough of us..

Agreed.

We have shown repeatedly throughout this process that an Englishman's word is not his bond.

The was a modicum of statesmanlike trust until December 2017. Then it all went downhill. It was thick as mince David Davis who angered the Irish government by saying the EU agreement concluded then, in December 2017, was not legally binding.

This was before May outwardly took over with the negotiations, so as far as the world was concerned he was the leading government minister in this whole shit show. He was head of DexEU - the UK voice to the EU and the world. He expressly said the UK's promise (that there would never be a return to a hard border) was only a statement of intent and not a " legally enforceable thing". That is actually disgusting.

No wonder they have had enough. It is the one positive in all of this.The EU can all pull and work better together addressing the reforms needed without us as an embarrassing festering thorn in the side.

Flowerplower · 15/02/2019 10:43

I consider all Tory politicians to be psychopaths until proven otherwise. Psychopaths are said to make up about 4% of the population but are way overrepresented in both prisons and conversely at the upper echelons of power. To turn down aid for food banks when people are starving and to usher in austerity and benefit cuts (including universal credit and draconian sanctions) which are killing your own citizens you would have to be a psychopath in my opinion.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 10:43

Interesting developments in the field of Artificial Intelligence:

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/14/open_ai_language_bot/

Analysis Most neural networks are like people with savant syndrome: they have extraordinary capabilities in a very narrow range of tasks.

Now a new system built by researchers at OpenAI is more of a polymath, and has learned to perform simple language tasks without human supervision nor task-specific training.

Modern neural-network development work can be tedious, with researchers scrambling to improve their benchmark scores for the same specific tasks, whether it's for image recognition accuracy or translating between different languages. Although the models may be state of the art, they are still woefully brittle and only perform well when tested using certain datasets.

(contd)

In case you had any doubts about the organic nature of some of our Leaver chums. Looks like an awful lot of Leave postings could just be the result of (not that) deep-learning of Brexiteer language ... especially the ones which never answer a question

I wonder if those guys would be interesting in parsing MN Leaver postings ... starting with the three-digit-username ones Grin