Does anyone genuinely think that things will continue exactly as they are if we crash out with no deal?

[MrsSchadenfreude]

If so, what is your reasoning behind this?

They won’t be able to carry on moaning

'Leave' moaned for 40 years

Thanks @LittleSpaces, I will write to MPs, although how many others will be doing the same?

I thought that May was a remainer before we all voted and yet she keeps saying that whatever happens then we’re going through with Brexit, but surely she has the power to stop this, or at least call for a second referendum? I believe that many who voted leave, will now change their mind, when they see the damage that will be done if we leave with a no deal?

I don’t know a whole lot about politics, and so I would like to know this, if we got a deal to leave then would Britain still be up in arms afterwards, or not?

As has been mentioned on other Brexit threads, 26per cent of respondents in a Sky poll last month thought no deal meant staying in the EU.

A lot of people are going to get a nasty shock - but whatever happens it will all be the fault of the EU and remainers.

Even if nobody else does it will help you clear your conscience. Long term that will help you.

And in answer to your question. Yes the new Brexiteer Party headed by Farage will be up in arms and will have a new cause of No Deal. Idiots will believe it.

“they wouldn’t like it if their home country was overflowing with immigrants either,”
Whose home country is overflowing with immigrants?

Some polish person bertrand

Apparently

The Polish was an example, my city in Scotland has many immigrants, mainly from all over EE.

I knew I would get shot for saying that but I’m being honest, and it’s not like I think they should all leave, but I think that there should have been some control on the amount that could come in but we can’t be in the EU and have immigration control, obviously and unfortunately. This was my main reason for voting to leave, I clearly hadn’t thought about the overall consequences, I was stupid not to research before my vote and I admit this.

I did think it was all scaremongering though, when politicians were warning us of trouble if we left, I thought they were just saying this to get their own way, to stay in, this comes from not believing anything Politicians say and that’s their fault for being liars, quite frankly.

I have now realised that I was so bloody wrong, and naive in thinking ‘we’re the UK, we’re not gonna go poor, pfft no way’ as if we’re invincible.

minnie

I understand youre a bit stressed but I honestly dont think that either bertrand or my comments merit a knew I would get shot for saying that response

We did have immigration control...we just chose not to exercise it

But still...it is what it is

minniesmum MY home country is overflown with immigrants and refugees, and in extremely large numbers they’re illegal or undocumented migrants, and they fly under the radar of taxmen. Let me tell you: You really have no idea how what it means, sorry.
And still: I understand why they do it, I understand what’s driving them, and I acknowledge all the good that they have also brought to my hone country. If it wasn’t for the Russian carers, my grannies would have spent the last 10 years of their life in a terribly sad care home. If it wasn’t for the Albanian guy running the greengrocer opposite her place from dawn to dusk, my mum would have to drive to a supermarket to buy plastic-wrapped carrots. And so on...
I am a migrant myself, I understand what it means having kids replying back to you in a different language and what it means “integration process”.
The U.K. has always had an immigration fairly different from the rest of Europe, for a start it’s always been out of Shengen, and then being an island it has Always carried out document checks at the points of entry. The rest of EU is not like that, but they were not forcing the U.K. to get into Shengen, the entire immigration theme has been ‘slightly’ twisted by propaganda in my opinion....

Ha sorry! Just think I was expecting to be shot because my comment was probably perceived as racist, but I’m not coming from a place of racism, I just wanted some control over the people coming in, I don’t think that every non British person should up and leave.

I thought that we didn’t have immigration control, I thought that we couldn’t because of being in the EU? why on earth wouldn’t they have exercised it?!

So your town is “overflowing” with immigrants. Can you explain what you mean? What %of the population is immigrant?

“I thought that we didn’t have immigration control, I thought that we couldn’t because of being in the EU?confused why on earth wouldn’t they have exercised it?!”
We have got immigration control.

minnie I’m not an immigration lawyer but I understand for instance that if an immigrant from a EU country committed a crime in the U.K., the U.K. could “ship him back”. Cameron was negotiating even more deviations from the standard procedures of the EU regarding rules, numbers etc when for an idiotic political mistake he decided to trigger this referendum...

minnie

No, we had it

I dont really know why we didnt use it...someone did say that it was labours fault but they would say that wouldnt they

Its like the sovereignty thing...we had that as well

And what cherin said

Let me also say a last thing that’s been heavy on my chest for months already:
Most immigrants don’t skip any queue. You don’t emigrate to cheat and steal. Broadly speaking, at least.
I might be living in a bubble, but heck, I pay 40% taxes, never bother a GP, invest heavily in this country, and was persuaded to come here by a headhunter (wasn’t really seriously considering...) who took me and my master degree generously subsidised by my home country. I warmly, warmly wish that next time TM goes to Lake Como they make her wait in a looooooong looooong queue to get a coffee...

I don’t have any issue with these things, although I once watched ‘How to get a council house’ and there was a Romanian family that had cake straight to London and straight to council, they were a married couple with 3 or 4 little girls and they were with a minister from a church, the minister had been putting them up in his church for a few days and taking them to the council.

Anyway, when they had their first visit with council then the council couldn’t help them, and I didn’t blame them, after all why come straight over here demanding a house, the father was saying to the lady from the council ‘why can’t the UK help me blah blah blah’, and the council lady was sympathetic to a degree, but her face probably said what most would have been thinking, anyway so they left the council and had another night at the church.

The next day the family go back to council and this time the father has his jobseekers info, to prove he’s signing on so the council award him a fully furnished 3 bedroom house up in Birmingham, he is told that if he hasn’t found a job, to pay his own rent, within 12 weeks, then housing benefit will stop. He shouldn’t have been given the house in the first place, why was it the UKs job to house these homeless? Why would a couple from a poor country choose to have 4 kids knowing that life was hard? Yes people in Britain are poor and have too many kids but they know, rightly or wrongly, that they can get benefits, but they already live here, you don’t fly in from another country without even having arranged a home first!

Even the minister said at the end ‘well that’s good that they found a place to live. Do I think that they should have been given a house’, he raised his eyebrows and smiled at this, clearly he didn’t believe they should have been given a house.

I know that Romania is poor, but why is it the UKs responsibility to house people from outwith the UK? It’s not.

We could have said no minnie

But our government didnt

That’s a U.K. policy, Minnie! In MANY other countries in the EU there are NO council houses, for instance. You don’t get the same amount of benefits than in the U.K., there’s no such a thing as a single mother allowance etc etc. Over the years the U.K. government and the agencies that distribute benefits have decided that they could not/would not discriminate against EU citizens, but part of the exemptions that Cameron negotiated were exactly what you’re describing....the possibility to not pay unemployment to a EU citizen for instance, if he’s not actually residing in the U.K. it’s all rules that the U.K. created, they have little to do with European bureaucracy. And in fact similar housing benefits are paid to non EU migrants.
You’re using tv shows and 16 people as the basis of your judgment, I think you could try to dig deeper and check if you can get a wider view on things.
Also, just so you know: the U.K. is the 5th richest country in the world. We’re not poor. Only, the wealth and the opportunities are not distributed as well as they could be...

What cherin said again

In fact could everyone just assume im gonna keep on agreeing with her

I know we’re not poor, but many politicians were making out that we would struggle financially if we left the EU, this is what I thought was just scaremongering

Love, wait till be get the recession of the century, then you’ll see how much money will be left to council for benefits...and for the nurses and doctors to look after our elderly, etc etc