Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

[RedToothBrush]

A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

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Forgot to thank you, Red!

Hello and thank you.

May is midwife to a monster.

PMK.

Missed quite a bit of the last thread. Is it true that she's delaying the vote?

Am worried that ds's GCSEs will be affected by a no deal.

Hell-o.
Hormonal here too. DD has a sports event today, so of course the dog has been up all night with the wind ensuring we get next to no sleep .

Still not convinced they realise how much work WA would take to get through, esp with the new 'delayed' timetable. I'm sure they'd all love a "we saved you all!" moment at the end of this, but my faith in their competence is zero.

It's hardly a surprise May has delayed the vote. She hasn't secured any meaningful changes to the WA so surely the rules are that she can't bring it back for a vote until the bill is different from the one that lost last time.

Either May has to put in enough changes to allow them to say it's effectively a different bill or they need some other way to circumnavigate this voting rule or there will be no more votes on the WA before the 29 March.

At least this is how I understand it. Happy to be corrected by those more informed if I'm wrong.

PMK.

Oh and thanks to The insightful RTB. I don't feel like Lewis Carroll so poetry came there none —
And this was scarcely odd, because
The ERG'd eaten every one.

Morning all. I'm a bit zombiefied this morning after losing 3 hours sleep in the night. I enjoyed listening to the rain though. It's soothing. 100% chance of rain for the school run (walk) hour today. Takes an hour both ways. Joy.
What fresh hell will today bring from Westminster.
Will she be allowed to delay the vote??

Morning all! Isn't it great to start the day with good news..
Brits Will Face Immediate Return Of Mobile Phone Roaming Charges Under No-Deal Brexit, Government Reveals
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brits-eu-mobile-phone-roaming-no-deal-brexit-governmentuk5c5b185be4b09293b20ab335

Ta red

To the stress induced night wakers PASSION FLOWER TABLETS. Amazing.

Bigly I assume that is where Corbyn steps in as he's all over the press this morning. They'll make it look like a compromise, whatever the 'big change' will be.

So the news about Corbyn's shift in position, does that effectively at the moment mean amending the non legally binding political declaration in a softer Brexit direction? So if that gets us over the line (she will lose the ERG, he will lose Labour MPs who don't want to support a Tory Brexit, so that is still debatable?), he then won't get elected in the next GE, Theresa May won't stand, and we get an ERG headbanger negotiating the actual deal and we are all fucked all over again?

I'm strangely feeling a little lighter today though, I think on a deep level I'm hoping some Leavers will agree with Tusk about the lack of plan (as my friend did yesterday) and on that we can at least all agree. It feels like the first tender process of very thin ice connecting over a puddle. Granted it's a big puddle to freeze but...(shit metaphor for very vague national unity continues...). Or maybe that will be when hell freezes over.

still amazed by how unbothered most people seem to be by impending disaster. Either I’m excessively paranoid about how Brexit is going to go or everyone else is far too calm...

Lonelyandtired out of interest how have you kept up talking to your leaver friend every day about brexit? Or is that why your successful with it because everyday you chip at delusion a bit at a time?

Bigly I assume that is where Corbyn steps in as he's all over the press this morning. They'll make it look like a compromise, whatever the 'big change' will be.

Corbyn is demanding customs union, which is what he has always said he wants and May has always said categorically that she won't do. In this respect his position really hasn't changed.

So it comes down, as it always has, to whether May will put good of country before her party because if she accepts Labour's terms than she will go against the will of the ERG and the rabid leavers in her party.

Personally I can't see it happening, but I guess you never know.

Placemark

I mainly lurk on these threads and read bits out to DH in horrified tones.

I think people just hear what they want to...I was talking to a leaver friend about delaying TTC and maybe immigrating because of brexit...she replied with 'we won't need visas for Europe'

Just heard on R4 that May has once again ruled out the idea of a CU so we can forget about a deal with Labour. She is still relying on getting the ERG lot onside and since plenty of them don't want any sort of deal at all and seem determined to oppose anything that isn't dropping out with no deal I would say that leaves us screwed.

Happy Thursday everyone!

Sorry for the depressing posts this morning.

Hazards yes, we talk every day. We've always had opposing views on a large portion of politics (despite her saying she is Conservative with a little 'c' ). At the begining I was very vocal and opposed everything with what I saw as fact (and has been proven to be so, thankfully) and she seemed sheepish but has resolutely stuck to her views. It then became that everywhere ignored the facts (all media) and she became a complete raving lunatic whenever it came up in discussion - so I backed off, let her rant with only the odd quip, which seems to have let her let off steam about Nazis and my somewhat pessimistic insistence that we are crashing out anyway whatever now and I wish we would just get on with sorting out what comes next, seems to have gradually made her see that both of us are in fact powerless over it now. It's not much of a victory for me at the moment but it has been an interesting process. I sometimes wish I could have a transcript - she teaches psychology and if I showed her it in another circumstance I think she would be amazed at things she has said when completely rabid. I'm a very patient person with my good friends and she has certainly tested the limit, but it does feel good to stay friends in such fundamentally opposing times.

Sorry, it wasn't R4 it was 6music. Forgot I swapped my morning radio to avoid this sort of depressing crap first thing in the morning.

still amazed by how unbothered most people seem to be by impending disaster. Either I’m excessively paranoid about how Brexit is going to go or everyone else is far too calm...

People are busy ... and they expect there will be a last minute deal.

Whether they are right or not is another question. I think the Labour rebels will deliver the WA but that may not be the end of the story.

not sure how it would help me to be very bothered about impending No Deal. Are we supposed to sit-in at MP's constituency offices? Handcuff selves to bridges? Screech on twitter?

devastating piece from Foreign Policy (very well respected US publication) about Theresa May's negotiating "strategy": foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/06/theresa-may-is-negotiating-like-yasser-arafat-brexit-plo-britain/?utm_source=PostUp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11378&utm_term=Editor