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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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GD12 · 26/01/2019 21:01

@umpteennamechanges

This guy is quite good to follow on Twitter @sundersays
I think he says Murrison won't be passed but Cooper/Boles will.

BiglyBadgers · 26/01/2019 21:04

I still think we'll end up with no deal. Just on the basis that nothing else will be sorted out and so we'll end up crashing out by default

This is also my view now. For a brief moment I had thought we might go down the PV route which would at least enable an extension, but that boat has sailed now.

I'm now fully expecting us to drop out with no deal by default simply because we are apparently incapable of deciding what we do want or even that we should maybe pause and count to 10 before we fling ourselves off the cliff.

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 21:04

Should have said - headline on link above is
NIGEL FARAGE AND BORIS JOHNSON ADVISER STEVE BANNON IMPLICATED IN MUELLER INVESTIGATION

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 21:05

Again:
www.byline.com/column/2/article/2401

thecatfromjapan · 26/01/2019 21:11

Has everyone seen this?

patreon.com/mitchbenn

Link should be to Mitch Benn performing,'What is the point of Jeremy Corbyn?'

Violetparis · 26/01/2019 21:12

Will Bercow definitely allow a vote on the Murrison backstop amendment ? Surely he will see how this contradicts the agreed WA with the EU.

thecatfromjapan · 26/01/2019 21:12

I'm with Mitch.

Brexit is a right-wing coup.

This is the revolution. The fight of a generation. And our oh-so-lefty Leader is nowhere.

umpteennamechanges · 26/01/2019 21:20

I hate the thought of some shadowy network of right wingers influencing things. It's a genuinely chilling concept.

bellinisurge · 26/01/2019 21:26

Tick tick Mr Farage ....

bellinisurge · 26/01/2019 21:26

Tick tick

nicoala1 · 26/01/2019 21:30

I reckon Messrs Trump and Putin are salivating at Hard Brexit.

Can't blame them if UK Government is so stupid as to lay down with fleas now.

umpteennamechanges · 26/01/2019 21:41

I'm sure all of the regulars on here will have read this previously but I've only just read it....I'm afraid I'm one of the people the article talks about being distracted by Brexit itself and not paying a great deal of attention to the Russia links.

If anyone hasn't read this piece by Carol Cadwalladr it's worth a read....I'm Shock

I consider myself pretty engaged in politics so if this has gone over my head I don't think any of my circle of friends would know about it.

www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/11/16/why-britain-needs-its-own-mueller/

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 21:50

Well I’ll post those links again before I go to bed:
www.byline.com/column/2/article/2401
www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/steve-bannon-is-high-ranking-trump-official-mentioned-in-roger-stone-indictment.html
With thanks to CaveMum and AcrossthePond55

TheElementsSong · 26/01/2019 22:28

It seems to me like there are more and more Brexit threads escaping into the wider MN ecosystem (no doubt despite much fevered reporting), so perhaps awareness is gradually seeping from a microscopic minority of the site towards a tiny minority of the site.

Those I have dubbed the Millennium Buggerers are having to be very busy, which has done wonders for my Brexit Bingo hobby Grin

GD12 · 26/01/2019 22:29

I just can't get away from this Twitter thread. Damn!

twitter.com/J_amesp/status/839237887304552448?s=19

GD12 · 26/01/2019 22:32

Here we go, martial law!

twitter.com/NeilFosterGMB/status/1089287818394980358?s=19

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2019 22:36

You sound surprised GD12. There is no other way to enforce no deal.

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GD12 · 26/01/2019 22:38

Not surprised just 😞😞😞😞😞

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2019 22:40

Express

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RedToothBrush · 26/01/2019 22:41

Indy, MoS financial, observer. Not to good for jobs...

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RedToothBrush · 26/01/2019 22:44

This one is interesting. Why would you be concerned about giving the Electoral Commission real enforcement power?

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/01/2019 22:45

Wow GD12, not sure I should have looked at that thread before attempting sleep.

This is worth a look and, depending on your mood, will provoke derisive laughter, tears or fury. Watch James Delingpole’s pitiful attempt to argue the case for WTO rules:

twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1088594193054879744?s=21

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2019 22:49

'I'll kill myself cos I saw it on YouTube' related story. In now way is this also more broadly related to other stories where if we don't behave in a certain way x will top themselves.

And the martial law story. We all love a bit of martial law in the newspaper. Happens daily

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nicoala1 · 26/01/2019 23:04

I don't trust the papers anymore.

Each of them have an agenda but very little factual back up for their assertions really. Manna for the people and clickbait mostly.

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