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Brexit

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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GD12 · 27/01/2019 08:40

^^Yes, he is.

frumpety · 27/01/2019 08:41

umpteen left school late 80's, not a mention of it during primary school and at secondary I didn't get past very early History.

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 08:47

news.sky.com/story/uk-begins-stockpiling-at-military-bases-to-prepare-for-no-deal-brexit-11617564
UK begins stockpiling at military bases to prepare for no-deal Brexit
Military chiefs have spent at least £23m on what is being described as "forward-purchased" goods, Sky News understands

Britain has begun stockpiling food, fuel, spare parts and ammunition at military bases in Gibraltar, Cyprus and the Falklands in case of a no-deal Brexit, Sky News has learnt.

Extra supplies are also being built up at bases in the UK to reduce the risk of the armed forces running short and being unable to operate if it suddenly becomes much harder to import and export day-to-day goods after 29 March.

Military chiefs have spent at least £23m on what is being described as "forward-purchased" goods, Sky News understands

Oh look its another euphemism. It's not stockpiling it's forward-purchasing.

Do pay attention here btw:
Britain has begun stockpiling food, fuel, spare parts and ammunition

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 08:49

So here’s a little experiment. I would expect children of people following these threads to be pretty well informed.
If you have a child at secondary school, ask them “What is the full name of the country (ie nation state) we live in?”
Award marks as follows:
1 mark for including the words United Kingdom
2 marks for the above plus Great Britain
3 marks for the above plus Northern Ireland
Bonus mark for immediately responding “(the) United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”
No Googling!

bellinisurge · 27/01/2019 08:49

How long before we get posters trotting out " Project Fear"?

frumpety · 27/01/2019 08:51

The little WWII knowledge I have, was gleaned from watching The world at war re-runs Blush

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 08:54

Slight adjustment to mark scheme
1 mark for United Kingdom OR Great Britain
2 marks for United Kingdom AND Great Britain

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 08:55

Hey look at this. Nadine thinks martial law is ok:

Nick Lowles @lowles_nick
Sunday Times front page:

“Britain is preparing to declare a state of emergency and introduce martial law in the event of disorder after a no-deal Brexit...”

How can any responsible Government even contemplate a No Deal Brexit?@AmberRuddHR you know what you have to do

Nadine Dorries @ Nadinedorries
We voted for a No Deal #Brexit when 2/3 of MPs from across the house voted to invoke Article 50.
We did that in accordance with the democratic result of the EURef and to honour the manifestos we were elected on. Both Labour and Conservative party pledged to honour the result

Just your friendly reminder about what happens to democracy in states that declare martial law in self created, none conflict, none environmental disaster situations.

I can't think of a single example where democracy has been healthy or democratic after that.

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bellinisurge · 27/01/2019 08:55

@borntobequiet - 1 Mark here. United Kingdom. That's all.

umpteennamechanges · 27/01/2019 08:58

@borntobequiet

No DC here the cats couldn't even guess but I've only awarded myself one mark as I would have answered United Kingdom

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 08:58

Thanks, Bellini! Next?

frumpety · 27/01/2019 08:58

born have failed miserably at this parenting malarkey ! Asked the teenager who responded with 'The UK' , asked what that stood for and they said 'dunno , union and something' , primary aged child piped up with 'United kingdoms' , do we get any points ?

< teenager glaring at me for asking rubbish questions and has changed subject to what new clothes she needs, has produced a list, told her I will only buy them if they are spelt correctly, cue flouncing >

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:01

Oh dear, Umpteen. Your cats could do better, you know. Mine now throws up/defecates as soon as I say the words “Farage” “Johnson” or “Gove” out loud.

Hazardswans · 27/01/2019 09:01

RE. "forward purchasing". You don't stockpile meds you create a buffer (actual dr's words.)

Calm down dears we're forward purchasing and buffering which is totes different from stockpiling. So different. Stockpiling is for loons. Buffering and forward purchasing is sensible. Nothing to see here.

umpteennamechanges · 27/01/2019 09:02

On the positive side DH was refusing to make me a cup of tea and crumpets this morning how dare he, I'm ENTITLED to it

So I used the Brexiteer playbook and promptly told him that 52% of the humans in this household small fiddle with facts had voted for tea and crumpets, that he was denying the will of the people and lack of said tea and crumpets would lead to a break down in social cohesion in this house.

He is now making tea and crumpets and unloading the dishwasher so I deem the Brexiteer way an unmitigated success.

Which doesn't bode well for us.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:02

Frumpety sorry I’ve spoilt your day. But that’s what education is for!

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:04

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/uk-ready-to-declare-martial-law-to-avert-no-deal-brexit-chaos-bfqgzzlrw
UK ready to declare martial law to avert no-deal Brexit chaos
The government is gaming the use of drastic powers to halt unrest if the UK crashes out of the EU

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:04

For primary, United Kingdoms is v. good. 1 mark.

PerverseConverse · 27/01/2019 09:06

Many people consider themselves to live in England, Scotland, or Wales and don't consider the wider country as it were. I don't know anyone in Northern Ireland so can't comment on that. I've always said I live in England. It's confusing to have lots of different names: Uk, Britain, Great Britain. Am off to ask my children now but expect they will say England.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:09

I just need to type out a random text that I just got from a Leaver I knew from Uni (who worryingly IMO still got a BSc despite failing many modules that made it a BSc - anyone talking to her can see she doesn't understand how studies work). Am wondering if she is having a MH crisis...
"As a christian obviously I read the bible, everything that is happening now has already been written. We put our trust in God. This life is very short but we believe in eternity. It was written 2000 years ago that there will be three wars and we have had two. I'm not being complacent that is just my beliefs. People either blame God or trust him. I believe he grieves for what we have done to the planet and each other. Also, if we are created for love it explains why a lot of mental health issues centre around feeling unloved, undervalued and unaccepted. I pray that you find peace and hope xx"

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2019 09:10

Marshall Law Shock

Andrea Leadsom said democratic self harm this morning on R4

I feel like Brexit is the self harm here

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2019 09:10

Martial rather Shock

Peregrina · 27/01/2019 09:11

Bonus question (this is a bit hard): how long has the United Kingdom been established in its present form.

Half a mark if you say 1707 thinking of the Act of Union with Scotland.

Where are our Leavers - did they really vote for Martial law, stockpiling medicines and such like? Please come on and tell us yes. I do have a modicum of sympathy with those who voted for the NHS, and even for those who voted against austerity, but as for the rest.......

SafetyLightsAreForDudes · 27/01/2019 09:12

Y10 DS1 said (with a scrunched up face) "United Kingdom of... something and... Ireland?" He was going in the right direction, I suppose Grin

wrt History education I think a large problem is that a load of subjects get dropped during GCSE options - this used to be in Y9 but seems to increasingly be at the end of Y8, so a lot of kids are only getting two years of proper History teaching. For me, I think we might have briefly covered WW2 in KS3, but the in-depth stuff was at GCSE which I didn't do (because I chose Social Studies). DS1 is doing History but I'm not sure WW2 is on the syllabus tbh

(de-lurking after following the last few threads - thank you all for the detailed analysis and pulling so much info into one place!)

frumpety · 27/01/2019 09:13

born I did ask primary child which countries he thought were included , he got England and Wales and Cornwall, to be fair he hasn't been to Scotland or NI Wink

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