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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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Loletta · 26/01/2019 23:27

Fuming at the latest developments: Arsehole 1 on QT warning us that the far right is on the rise
And Tommy Robinson is coming for us; Arsehole 2 who said Ireland should leave the EU to solve Brexit; Arsehole 3 proposing to amend the WA and make it pass without backstop and Arseholes 4 all the MPs who won't back the Cooper amendment because doing so would piss off the 52% who voted in a non specific, advisory referendum to sort out an internal cock up in the Tory party?? Two words: hypertension and insomnia

nicoala1 · 26/01/2019 23:34

@Lolleta,

I hear you. It is just unreal now. But perversely it just doesn't seem to feature much in MSM now. Bored maybe?

However, we seem to be sleepwalking into disaster, unless some cool and intelligent heads can save us. All appendages crossed for that now.

Talk about taking it to the brink.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 26/01/2019 23:39

Just listening to LBC. Presenter sounds suicidal at taking call after call saying that they knew what they were voting for and that we can now trade with other countries but can’t name a single country that we will be able to trade with that we can’t trade with while in the EU.
The straw that broke the camel’s back was a caller called Carol who said that leaving with No Deal will be fine because JRM says so,

Loletta · 26/01/2019 23:42

Sad utterly depressing. I wish there was something I could do. I feel completely powerless.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 00:01

PCPlums Loletta the feeling of utter helplessness...

As you say, MSM is hardly dealing with it, or in the most flippant, superficial and meaningless way.

I’ve definitely noticed friends tuning it all out as well, especially on Facebook. On the very rare occasions I post anything Brexit related (and it’s usually only something shared from Very Brexit Problems or similar, nothing heavy or ranty) I might get one or two likes whereas if I post a picture of the view from the beach or my friends’s dog I get dozens of likes and comments.

No wonder the government feel they can get away with anything when the general response seems to be apathy, boredom or ‘it will all work out ok in the end’.

nuttynutjob · 27/01/2019 02:29

Martial law?! Well didn't we first hear this from R. North?

What's next? Junta?

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 06:44

Aaaaaargh am I the only person who thinks the Bannon/Farage/Johnson headline is important/interesting?

Peregrina · 27/01/2019 06:47

I hope that Farage and Johnson get caught up with the US investigation. In an ideal world, in ten years time it would be good to see them tried for treason, and serve a nice long prison sentence.

BTW I went away for ten days to somewhere with a dodgy internet connection so couldn't post much, and two whole threads whoosh by.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 07:04

Ha! In an ideal world they’d be locked up today and Brexit cancelled!
I wondered where you were, Peregrina and then though I’d seen you had said you would be away. I will be away for a week from next Thursday and thought I might leave the iPad behind for a break from all this, phone is really no good for browsing Internet, but OTOH everything always kicks off whe I go on holiday so I think I’ll take it.

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 07:04

No, born.

😁

It's just silent assent. And, I would guess, an unwillingness to get too hopeful.

If Brexit has a common dynamic it is probably the one of seeing resistance mount, allowing optimism to flare, then witnessing May and Corbyn stamp out the source of hope.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 07:14

Yeah, you’re right. I think I’ll have some toast now. Toast is comforting. And a good way of using stale bread in hard times

Plonkysaurus · 27/01/2019 07:17

One in 20 Britons does not believe Holocaust took place, poll finds

their ignorance means they are susceptible to myths and distortions

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/one-in-20-britons-does-not-believe-holocaust-happened

Education. It matters. Remind me again who drove a wrecking ball through it since 2010? Who focussed on Bririshness at the potential cost of creating global citizens? Who campaigned for Brexit?

The NY Review piece but Carole Cadwalladr is breathtaking. I am trying to keep my eyes on this much bigger picture. I wonder what the consequences for Brexit will eventually be if Mercer, Bannon, Banks et al find themselves at the pointy end of global justice.

Plonkysaurus · 27/01/2019 07:21

Sorry for typos. I shouldn't post before covfefe.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 27/01/2019 07:21

The only thing which gives me a slight glimmer of hope is that things don’t usually end well for fascist dictators.
Personally, I’d prefer to pass on living under a far-right regime and hope enough is done to prevent it. It’s all feeling very bleak. Sad

frumpety · 27/01/2019 07:37

I have to admit that if you were to ask me how many Jews were killed in the Holocaust, which was one of the other questions I believe, my answer would be a guess. I didn't learn about it at school. I know the figure is huge, but to me it is what that figure represents that haunts me.

mathanxiety · 27/01/2019 07:41

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-history-of-the-irish-border-from-plantation-to-brexit-1.3769423?fbclid=IwAR2mIo6dhOZgmayoR9Z8lm1VMEM2vJh7eqwGrKsE3qcQor5nDWAfq9_4bJM

An interesting potted history of the UK border.

This bit is amazingly ironic:
March 1914: John Redmond concedes the “hateful expedient” of partition with the expectation that Ulster will be excluded from the initial home rule settlement though the number of counties involved has yet to be decided. He insists on it being time-limited to six years but Unionist leader Edward Carson dismisses the time limits as a “stay of execution”.

Also noteworthy:
April 1914: The UVF smuggle 20,000 German rifles with three million rounds of ammunition into the port of Larne.

Peregrina · 27/01/2019 08:20

I think we have to be careful expecting education to be an answer - our current Government don't lack for (mostly expensive private) educations, but you wouldn't know it with some of the stupid decisions they make. Similar, with Hitler's Germany- many of the leading Nazis were university educated.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 08:22

Well, we suspected the Bannon/Farage/Boris/Assange link would be imminent. We now need to do something about it - surely if Steele saw this coming and we could do something we would have? I can't believe the secret service are in with the Tories in creating some kind of hypermacho-patriachal dystopia...although Confused

MN really should be worried; sites like this will be the first to go under that kind of regime. Martial Law on a Sunday. I think the gen public have become completely desensitised. Anyone with a brain has had to shut down for mental self protection perhaps? I know I flipped after about 6 months of Brexit nonsense and false reporting, took 6 months out and then felt able to continue reading the news.

I've despaired at fb too. As I mentioned upthread people barely like comments on Brexit now. We've gone so far down apathy highway...all it takes is for good people to sit by and do nothing adge holding up well.

bellinisurge · 27/01/2019 08:23

I'm pretty shocked that people don't know this stuff like the name of the Queen or the capital of France. I thought it was just stuff you picked up in life. Turns out, not so.

umpteennamechanges · 27/01/2019 08:23

@frumpety

You didn't learn about the holocaust at school? What sort of time period was that?

I did in the 90s (Answer: 6 MILLION)

Hazardswans · 27/01/2019 08:26

Glad I'm not the only one feeling helpless. I just pepped talked myself into being optimistic/problem solving there MUST be something I can do ..... no, no there isnt hazard ...

So here I am typing to you lot instead of talking to myself Grin

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 08:28

For anyone unsure as to the creeping societal threat of Breitbart and the (similarities in jingoism and the fake news stories) here you go. Personally I feel this site and the spin off stories have a lot of bearing in the rise in toxic masculinity and male suicides.

GD12 · 27/01/2019 08:30

On the Times front page it also says Philip May is telling TM to try and renegotiate the backstop, he told her to go for a snap election in 2017 etc. WTF?!

MissMalice · 27/01/2019 08:31

He’s set to make money from the whole thing isn’t he @GD12?

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 08:36

I’ll say it again: when I was teaching in secondary and had to teach PSHE/Citizenship, my first question to Y10 was “what is the name of the country you live in”.
Some couldn’t even guess England (good try though!). No one ever knew the correct name. They had literally never been taught it or told it.

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