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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 22:36

Good night all. @bananacake2134 , if you think this government is a fascist/ totalitarian regime, you haven't got a clue. I've lived in a totalitarian regime. It's fuck all like here.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 22:36

A teasing picture of tablet with a glimpse of my mum's "*The Best" tablet recipe Smile

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durgha · 25/01/2019 22:36

banana where are you castigating the English from
This clause still makes no sense. Sorry.

If you are sitting in England, it won't make much sense, I suppose. It's not a clause though. It's a question. Are you quibbling from England?

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 22:39

Please can we get back to that?

It has gone a bit strange lately. I guess everybody is getting increasingly stressed as the Big Day approaches.

BTW 2bees those aren't my cats, but from the cat cafe. The big fluffy ones are Maine Coones, though.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 22:39

We can choose not to engage with those that don't contribute constructively to the discussion nor do they want to

StoorieHoose · 25/01/2019 22:40

Mmmmm I want tablet now Prettybird

durgha · 25/01/2019 22:41

prettybird. Who needs teeth when you can have tablet? (Recipe?) x

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 22:43

No newspaper round up tonight! Yay!

As far as I can see every newspaper has decided we need a day off from Brexit on the front page. With the exception of the Guardian when carries a small story where no deal is compared to the chaos of the Icelandic Ash crisis by the Cabinet Office.

And with that I'm off to bed. I had less than 4 hrs sleep last night, my head is full of cold and DH has been away all week and only got back an hour ago. Tomorrow I'm on an afternoon drinking session. A much needed one!

Flowers for everyone who needs them tonight. I think it's been a longer and more difficult week than expected and I think frustration and general winter blues are adding to the growing anxiety over Brexit.

I will definitely be drowning sorrows in the bottom of a pint class (or smaller alternative alcoholic measure)

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bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 22:45

do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion

Okey dokey talking

Me and a bunch of retired mums spend hours freezing our ancient bones off outside parliament every week for this cause.

What do you do?

(PS those dressed in MAGA hats and yellow vests, who sometimes attend, are rather violent and abusive)

Here's a link for donations for Steve.

fundrazr.com/71Rzl6?ref=fb_e7hWBe_ab_1ALniReqBlH1ALniReqBlH

Every Saturday we're on #PeoplesVote stalls all over this island.

Google for details.

Enjoy your yummy breakfast, courtesy of us fighting this brexit, who knows, you might have more breakfasts in April.

Toodle Pip

prettybird · 25/01/2019 22:46

I can give you the ingredients list almost pure sugar Wink as they're pretty standard. It's the technique that I follow that makes it fail safe Wink - and that's only given out to friends by email Grin

2lb vanilla caster sugar
1 tin condensed milk
4oz butter
1 cup milk

colouringinpro · 25/01/2019 22:54

Panicking

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 23:01

Interesting reaction from you all though.

Sadly, I can see how low this country has been brought. There's a clear hierarchy, suspicion of foreignness,and a terror of facing what is actually happening politically in one's own country.

The irony is, that so many of us are jeopardising so much by fighting to maintain what was valued about britain and we are being vilified.

Fascinating and terrifying in equal measure.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 23:02
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bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 23:13

Even that Confused is funny, elements.

I've been on mums net here for donkeys years, with lots of different names.

I come on really hurt by a regular an nice poster Talking who jokes about her kid dressing up as a MAGA fascist, and I am suddenly the bad poster. There are boys and men in MAGA hats who come to attack us at parliament at Sodem who threaten to rape us, put us in gas chambers etc on a regular basis. It takes courage to face them down peacefully and in silence, and I do for the sake of my kids and the country.

It's an interesting process this loss of trust, but that, I suppose is part of what is going on here now. Sad

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 25/01/2019 23:20

Thinking Banana is a troll. Quick search reveals that they have posted in early December and now in last couple of days. All about Brexit and all stirring it more then necessary. Goodnight everyone, perhaps tomorrow they will disappear again.
On a plus side I have appointment this day week for hosp. tests. Sorry I was so out of sorts a week ago.

You do all keep me sane so thanks. Xxx

durgha · 25/01/2019 23:22

banana, is this your latest blurt, or is it quotes from others?
Okey dokey talking

Me and a bunch of retired mums spend hours freezing our ancient bones off outside parliament every week for this cause.

What do you do?

(PS those dressed in MAGA hats and yellow vests, who sometimes attend, are rather violent and abusive)

Here's a link for donations for Steve.

fundrazr.com/71Rzl6?ref=fb_e7hWBe_ab_1ALniReqBlH1ALniReqBlH

Every Saturday we're on #PeoplesVote stalls all over this island.

Google for details.

Enjoy your yummy breakfast, courtesy of us fighting this brexit, who knows, you might have more breakfasts in April.

Toodle Pip

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 25/01/2019 23:23

Good luck at the hospital bees Flowers

Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 23:27

I did not follow the hat talk because I was having a love fest instead.

But...

Hats don't make people bad, the people were bad before they put a hat on.

Argue over symbolism (what the hat represents) plenty do but keep perspective?

Anyway 9 more Last Leg shows til brexit.

Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 23:28

Keep us updated 2bees been thinking about you all week ❤Flowers

prettybird · 25/01/2019 23:31

A picture of two chilled out cats, taken one bonfire night. The blue point is the one that was killed a few years ago in a hit and run when he was only 9 Sad(but still holds a special place in our hearts I know you're not supposed to have favourites but.... Wink) but the old girl (chocolate tabby point) is still hanging on in there at 15 (the new boys have given her a new lease of life but she is getting increasingly frail)

The evidence that we are a group of elite citizens of nowhere is that so many of us are owned by have Siamese Grin other pedigrees are available Wink

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Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 23:36

I haven't seen so many cats in ages...all lovely!

i have a whippet with a prey drive so we avoid cats like the plague

MrsLettuce · 25/01/2019 23:38

I also have Siamese (and orientals) too. There do seem to be tonnes hereConfused

Cat #3 is an ebony oriental and pretty much impossible to photograph

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Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 23:47

Did anyone post the mumsnet stockpiling survey results?

18% of users are stockpiling but the survey was last year I think it'll be higher by now!

www.mumsnet.com/politics/the-items-mothers-are-stockpiling

Twitter thread

mobile.twitter.com/MumsnetTowers/status/1088427831967780864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1088427831967780864&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252FMumsnetTowers%252Fstatus%252F1088427831967780864%26widget%3DTweet

8% trying to get extra prescription meds in.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 26/01/2019 00:07

banana have you heard of gallows humour? My job can be very harrowing at times and all the people I have worked with use humour as a way of coping. It doesn’t mean that they don’t care about, and do their best for, patients they care for.
These beauties aren’t mine but I am posting...because Smile

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bananacake2134 · 26/01/2019 00:10

Thinking Banana is a troll. Quick search reveals that they have posted in early December and now in last couple of days. All about Brexit and all stirring it more then necessary. Goodnight everyone, perhaps tomorrow they will disappear again

Not true. Extremely hurtful. And reflects poorly on so many.

I know many on this thread personally under another name.

Such sad times.