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Brexit

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 15:47

She didn't say it with cake so we're doubly fucked....

phpolly · 25/01/2019 15:49

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squareofthehypotepotenuse · 25/01/2019 15:56

My very first, cautious, de-lurk was roundly ignored on here too - I asked a question probably no one knew the answer too. So, I asked my MP. He didn’t seem to know either.

It’s such a fast moving thread and wonderfully detailed. So much is bound to get lost within it. Thanks for the Bloomberg article btw - they appear on my Apple news feed, but say subscription only....

phpolly · 25/01/2019 15:57

Mark Francois tearing up Tom Enders' letter live on air just now pretty much says it all. When the Tories won't listen to business interests, we are well and truly f---ed.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 16:01

Destiel - I "spoke" with woman11017 towards the end of last year and she was happily (will in as much as you can be "happy" Hmm) getting on with some real life pro-Remain Activism Smile

I too miss her perspective, which I felt added a lot of value.

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 16:02

BBC politics @ BBCpolitics
"My father was a D-Day veteran, he never submitted to bullying by any German. Neither will his son"

Tory Brexiteer Mark Francois tears up #Brexit warning letter from Airbus chief executive Tom Enders during live BBC interview

You need the quote to fully appreciate how much of a tosser this man is.

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Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 16:05

I'm just going to point out that red is the OP of the thread. She knows a lot and lots of people expect her to be interested in their opinion or view or . But she doesn't have to be. I enjoy a long running brexit thread that has a range a voices. We don't all agree here and that's fine, sometimes you argue your point many times myself I can't be arsed, it is what it is.

This thread or red her self cant solve anything but it is something and overall that something is good. So can we just take the good?

And ironically phpolly I responded to you earlier and you missed it or ignored me Grin

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 16:08

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/the-chief-whip-has-told-mps-the-uks-brexit-withdrawal?__twitter_impression=true
The Chief Whip Has Told MPs The UK’s Brexit Withdrawal Agreement Could Be Reopened

Sceptics, however, are wondering whether Number 10 has given Julian Smith a “licence to bullshit” to get Brexiteers and the DUP to back the PM’s deal.

Licence to bullshit? Surely they'd never do that.

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PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 16:08

Mark Francois' father fought fascism.
Oh the irony.

Permanentlydisaffected · 25/01/2019 16:09

We can't be falling out on here, everyone is feeling distressed at the moment and it's only going to get worse as the B day looks ever closer, imagine it being in single figures! Shock. I'm out with friends that night and have already said you will have to excuse me at 10.59pm to have a quiet sob and a stiff drink somewhere alone...

prettybird · 25/01/2019 16:10

Indeed phpolloy Sad To paraphrase and turn back Boris' comment: "Business is fucked" Angry

I think it was either Mark Francois or another Brexiter or even a Government minister, who a few days ago tried to present Brexit as an opportunity for car manufacturers because, and I quote, "McLaren are now sourcing more British components" Hmm That would be the McLaren that made a whole 3,340 units in 1917 Shock

It's really going to save the UK car manufacturing industry, which relies on JIT manufacturing processes Confused

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 16:10

So did my grandfather. Who then married a German (who lived in areas he bombed) and went to live in Germany (in an area he bombed).

Mark Francois is a Grade A dickhead.

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PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 16:12

they would back a deal if the backstop is “replaced with alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border"

The whole point of the (yet to be made) deal, not the WA, is to replace the backstop with alternative arrangements that avoid a hard border.
The backstop is a backstop and will only be implemented is our team is a bunch of bozos.

phpolly · 25/01/2019 16:13

hello @hazard I did indeed see your post but you didn't seem to be soliciting a response? If you were, then I apologise sincerely.

phpolly · 25/01/2019 16:15

@permanently I agree completely. That's why I just don't understand why some people on this thread seem to feel they have more right than others to express their opinion. As far as I can tell, we are all more or less on the same page (rogue posters having been chased off, appropriately!) in being devastated for the direction we are headed just now.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 16:15

Mark Francois tearing up Tom Enders' letter live on air just now pretty much says it all.

That's a historical moment right there.

Destiel · 25/01/2019 16:17

Glad woman is ok. I miss her insightful comments too.

Hey, I can always bring cake. But we're still fucked.

Fucked and hopped up on sugar and chocolate 😀🍰🍪🍫🍬🎂🥧🍦

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:17

My father was a D-Day veteran,

So a big fuck you to the families of those not so lucky, and whose heads were blown of on the beaches - yes the ones who have no voice ? Nice man. Not.

FWIW, the harrowing first few minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" are widely regarded as being as close to what it might have been like as we could dare to hope (several veterans left in tears).

Funny how brave people who never fought - and never will - can be, isn't it ?

phpolly · 25/01/2019 16:18

I have so much cake laid in right now.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:18

they would back a deal if the backstop is “replaced with alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border"

Best way to avoid a hard border is revoke.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:19

I wonder if Northern Ireland could become a UN protectorate, to avoid a border ?

AlphaJuno · 25/01/2019 16:20

Apologies if this has already been mentioned

Could citizens’ assemblies solve Brexit? www.ft.com/content/4d67a630-209b-11e9-b126-46fc3ad87c65?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec

I'm not sure, but prefer it to PV.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 16:22

My grandmother (my dad's mother) was born in England on 4 August 1914 to a German father and an English mother (for those that don't know their history: the day that the UK declared war on Germany Sad). As a result, she was brought up in Denmark, where many of my dad's cousins still live.

My great grandmother (my dad's grandmother on his dad's side) was Irish but went out to South Africa to nurse the Boers, who were the underdogs, and ended up marrying one (hence that branch of the family becoming English speaking) Smile. (Dad most inconsiderately didn't get himself put on the Irish foreign births' register before I was born Wink)

Mark Francois is a tosser Angry

The world has moved on from old ethnic Nationalistic grudges.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 16:23

I can bring tablet to the bunker. I've already sent some to a few Westministenders (including Woman Grin) - it will definitely keep the energy levels going! Grin

BiglyBadgers · 25/01/2019 16:28

That's why I just don't understand why some people on this thread seem to feel they have more right than others to express their opinion

Nobody has said you don't have a right to express your opinion, but nobody has an obligation to respond to anyone elses posts. You can say what you want but neither red not anyone else has to answer. Just as you don't have to answer any of my posts.