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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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Sostenueto · 25/01/2019 16:32

My posts rarely get a response. By the time I've typed it everyone's on 3 topics ahead!Grin when I ask a question I usually get an answer.

StoorieHoose · 25/01/2019 16:32

Mmmm I love tablet! I can’t make it successfully which might be a blessing in disguise

Moussemoose · 25/01/2019 16:34

My dad didn't fight anyone but my cat has a very Brexit attitude towards interlopers in the garden.

He has a strict 'no foreign cats' policy and is prepared to fight to enforce that rule.

Ironic because he is Siamese.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:36

Could citizens’ assemblies solve Brexit?

Unlikely, because Brexiteers don't want to "solve" Brexit. And even if they did, that ship was already making a last call for passengers on the 24th June and sailed on 30th March 2017.

Out of a country of 65 million plus, the only person who will be satisfied with whatever happens is Theresa May.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 16:39

phpolly I read the Bloomberg article you posted. It was good to have a summary of the many businesses affected in one post. I knew lots of them already but not all, and I didn't comment because I'm desperately trying to keep up with the thread. I'd love to comment on loads of posts but by the time I've read to the end of the thread sometimes hours have gone by.

FWIW, and I don't know Red at all, and I can't speak for her, but I'd imagine she was taken aback by your post. She's playing a blinder keeping us all up to date and drawing things to attention we might have missed. I honestly don't know where she gets the time.

I'm not a regular or whatever, more a lurker with the odd irrelevant comment really. I sometimes ask questions, or agree with someone, and I'm so glued to the news that it's rare I miss something - it's more that I may not fully grasp the significance. I'm lost when it comes to the workings of the UK Parliament so these threads are invaluable that way.

I'm Irish, living in Ireland, and I was raised about as far from the border as you can be without being in the sea, and I'm so stressed and worried and upset. I can only imagine that's it's a million times worse for everyone in the UK. These threads really help.

Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 16:39

Some posters really inspire me and that goes into real life, like dest with the foodbank and pcplums posted about a hard time just before Xmas I think. I was having a melt down at the time but I said to myself if pcplums can crack on and do then I will to. I meant to thank her at the time for sharing but i forgot... i was gonna sit on my arse and tear my hair out but she changed that and i remind myself of her whenever i go to tear my hair out again. And singing went on a march and she took me and DP in spirit and that meant the world to me. And i could go on but I'll stop!

borntobequiet · 25/01/2019 16:40

What an interesting thread today!

PootlesBobbleHat · 25/01/2019 16:42

My neighbour's cat reads the Daily Mail by sitting on it and absorbing its poison through osmosis thus protecting the rest of us from contamination.

He has also recently, and entirely unexpectedly, changed sex, although I think that's for another thread.

I don't know his/her views on Brexit as he/she is deaf and steadfastedly ignores me, but he/she is rather laissez-faire about garden interlopers including our chickens so I'm hopeful.

Destiel · 25/01/2019 16:44

The posters on here have helped me massively...

I luffs you all...sob.

QueenMabby · 25/01/2019 16:50

I have 17 bottles of gin in my cupboard. I like gin so people keep buying it for me, only I don’t actually drink very much so it’s accumulated rather. I’m happy to bring it along and donate it to the bunker...

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 16:51

Moussemoose that cracked me up.

DG I think that would have the same problem as a border in the Irish Sea?

I was looking up the NI Assembly after Red's post about the elephant in the room - if a border in Ireland contravenes the GFA, does a border in the Irish Sea not contravene the GFA?

But then I thought about devolved power and said fuck it. But I'm Irish and could call myself a Unionist too - except it would be an entirely different Union.

The way things are going I wonder if we'll all look back fondly on when we were worried about the border.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:52

On the basis if you can't beat them Grin here's some pictures of "Psycho cat" - although the more observant will have spotted she's a kitten. First seen last year, out of the blue. DW was having a sneaky ciggie (!) out back, and came in and said she'd been "buzzed" by a little cat. Now we know of 3 cats locally that have been known to prowl out land, (B&W, tabby, and black) and it was none of them.

We popped out shopping and as I was bringing the shopping around the side of the house I saw a ball of fur wondering around (attached pics Grin). Quite a pretty little thing.

For the rest of the day the bloody thing wouldn't leave DW alone when she was trying to relax in the garden. Rather than running away, it kept coming up to us both, mewling away.

We did wonder where it came from.

That evening (it was pissing down) our neighbours of a few months knocked and asked if we'd seen a kitten. Turned out Mr Neighbour and Mr Neighbours DF had a bright idea of taking the kitten around the block "to get used to it Hmm ..." and it jumped. Mrs Neighbour (whose kitten it was) was close to tears.

Luckily we knew it was somewhere in our garden, and they eventually scooped it up. We haven't seen it since ...

.. until last week when I was looking out of our kitchen (which faces front) and prowling along the path outside was a now much bigger kitten - I suppose you'd call it a cat really Grin.

I dubbed it "Psycho" as she had absolutely no fear of us, or of a wheelchair - in fact she seemed to regard it as a personal exercise machine, prowling in and out of the wheels as they moved.

Something in my water tells me she is going to be trouble - especially now she seems to be allowed to roam free ....

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
prettybird · 25/01/2019 16:57

I have lots of homemade plum gin, cinnamon plum gin and redcurrant gin SmileGin

...plus the boozy plums Grin (the boozy redcurrants got put on to the compost heap)

And jars and jars of plum jam, blackcurrant jam, raspberry jam and plum chutney Grin

Stooriehouse : it took me 13 batches to annotate my mum's recipe (which had already been annotated by her to say "The Best" which was why my dad sent it me when I complained about the other recipe I was using) to get the technique down to the second which meant I could make tablet consistently every time Shock But now, I make she says modestly the best tablet - according to my friends Wink

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 16:58

DG I think that would have the same problem as a border in the Irish Sea?

I have no idea. I was more motivated to demonstrate that it's Remainers that have tried to come up with solutions to problems every step of the way. All Brexiteers every do is post soundbites and not very eloquent dismissals of pretty much everything else.

Maybe Apple could buy Northern Ireland ? The US constitution is designed to allow new states to be admitted, so it could be an answer - just to imagine the DUP trying to live under US law ....

Moussemoose · 25/01/2019 16:58

My psycho Siamese keeps to his own boarders. Although, he does nip over to next door to have a dump.

We nickname him Boris and when he is delivering a 'package' to our neighbours we say his on a 'Rees-Mogg mission'.

The parallels are scary.

Except we have surgically removed his bollocks.

Spudlet · 25/01/2019 16:59

Thanks aprile, that's good to know.

Just had a thoroughly frustrating conversation with my mum who is sure it will all be absolutely fine and that I'm overreacting and being very silly, because she remembers how it was before the EU and it was all fine (was told sharply that she didn't want to talk about it when I started to point out the flaws in that argument). Hey ho.

I bloody hope I am overreacting, but time will tell. I'd rather look silly for overreacting than for underpreparing, anyway.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 17:01

I've had plenty of posts ignored. It's a thing that happens on busy threads just because.

Frequently I'll have posted a link to something, the thread sails on blithely, and then later someone else posts the same link and gets responses.

It's not some giant playground conspiracy.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 17:02

was told sharply that she didn't want to talk about it when I started to point out the flaws in that argument

Yeah, strangely there aren't a lot of takers for "So, you fancy a bout of smallpox, then?"

Inniu · 25/01/2019 17:03

In the week that marks the 100th anniversary of the start of the Irish War of Independence I can just see how the whole “my father was a D Day veteran so I won’t be giving in to the Germans” could be replaced my some Irish republicans.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 17:06

DG I actually laughed out loud at that. I think you might be on to something.

It's strange, when I read about concerns NI citizens have about unification, losing the NHS comes up a lot. Ireland apparently spends a decent amount of money on health per capita but our system is so fucked up we see little benefit. (Ancient hospitals that cost a fortune to keep open but can't be closed because of parish pump politics are something consistently pointed out by senior doctors.)

It will be a horrible by product of Brexit if the NHS goes down the tubes.

I vote for Apple Care for those in NI.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 17:06

Seems we have roamy cats here ... mainly to be the B&W one (from across the road) whose party piece is to lounge around on our front lawn when I'm mowing. But there's a local tabby (no idea whose) and a black cat (again no idea whose) that also patrol the streets.

I know there are foxes around because I've seen (and heard Envy) them. But it wasn't until the snow last year that I realised they/it also patrol our house. There were sets of footprints every morning after snowfall.

Meanwhile, at times it seems magpies have a parliament Hmm on our front lawn - 12 at times.

(I've also had to slow down for horses along the main road, as there's a riding school just over a mile away).

Why on earth would we want to move ?

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 17:09

Except we have surgically removed his bollocks GrinGrinGrin

Moussemoose · 25/01/2019 17:09

Foxes are well hard aren't they?

We have a no fucks given Fox. He just stares at you for a bit then goes on his way.

So in Brexit terms a bit like France. Part of the wider community, gives lip service to it but actually does what the hell he wants.

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 17:11

Maybe Apple could buy Northern Ireland?

I thought the plan was to flog Scotland to Trump to make it a giant golf course to pay for Brexit, with all the Scottish traitors finally getting whats been coming to them since instigating the Highland Rebellion.

I could be wrong on this.

It might have been since Robert the Bruce.

I forget.

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PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 17:12

I'm sure someone post here, that Apple did not want to buy NI coz it was in urgent need of an upgrade.