To ask why would anyone want no deal?

[guinea36]

Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

@redandyellowandpinkandgreen99

So how do you suggest the UK honour the GFA under a no deal brexit? I have identified the 2 options earlier. Which do you support?

I would give some back, but I not that petty and pathetic.

Your sarcasm and patronising attitude, plus your use of the term "remoaners" is not exactly polite and respectful.

" I find it hard to believe that all 17.4 million Leave voters understood that was what they were voting for."

When will this wretched mantra ever stop? Pack it in. Not one bloody person, voter or politician, even the saintly and super educated Remainers had a clue how this was going to pan out, so dont come your high horse. You have no idea of the future activities of the EU so you didnt know what you were voting for

Silvery why did you want thread moved?

As I read this morning, the world does not revolve around Europe. The super powers will be India and China

Confused, no one ever knows what they are voting for on any subject including those that voted us in this block 40 years ago.

Having said that... We do have 40 years to look back on.
No one knows what the future holds. I never expected brexit to be a smooth process. I didn't expect staying in to be smooth either though.

Surely the divide now is between No Dealers and .....everybody else regardless of how they voted in the referendum? I don't care if you voted leave or Remain. I don't care who is to blame (I have my own list but who cares at this point).
Options that aren't No Deal are hardly easy. But No Deal is a flat out fucking catastrophe that frankly no one in their right mind wants.

Change the fucking record. It's been stuck for 2 and half years now

Will leavers stop the fantasy that this was the will of the people? Stop calling us remainders bitter losers and stop insulting us. No. So no, we won't change the record. We were saying leaving would be a mistake before the referendum and we continue to say it now. And yes, I do question the intellectual capacity of some of the people who voted leave.

As soon as I hear the term “remoaner” I know the poster is scraping the barrel with no better argument, 🙄

Some people actually think No Deal means No Brexit.

@Mistigri - Waiving tariffs would not remove the need for border checks.

That is true. I wrote my post too quickly. I should have expanded it to say abolishing tariffs and having no border checks on any goods coming into the UK from anywhere. If you have no border checks, realistically you would struggle to impose tariffs.

If the UK did that, the EU would have to have checks on goods arriving into the EU from the UK. But the UK could then claim it's Ireland breaking the GFA, not them.

The WTO does not require borders to be secured but it does require all members be treated equally.

I agree with you that the WA is the only realistic way to avoid breaking the GFA.

As soon as I hear the term “remoaner” I know the poster is scraping the barrel with no better argument

You have a point. Leavers moaning about Remainers moaning

If the UK leaves the EU it will become the only country in the world with no trade deals with any other country.

WTO rules only cover goods not services
more than half of the UK economy will not be covered by it

The WTO is completely unaccountable
480 well paid technocrats in Geneva will then be deciding the UK's fate

Just to clarify. I'm not convinced every politician who backs no deal is going to make oodles of cash from it or get a great personal career benefit from it -although I'm sure that's the case in some cases.
It seems to be a genuinely sincere view among some that it will benefit the country ultimately.I just want to get my head round what the reasoning is. For instance is it the idea that severing ties completely with the EU will allow us to rip up labour laws and be a bit more like the US and that will be ultimately be good for the country because it will strengthen the economy? Not saying I in any way agree with this point of view but I'm curious about the thinking and the economic theory behind it

Will all the leavers baying for no deal promise that they will happily get to the back of the queue when we are all suffering from shortages of essential foods and medicines?

Thought not.

The EU is a sinking ship, once we’ve left, I give it 2years max before others start to leave too.

I would prefer no deal instead of the rubbish one on offer.

I voted leave as I don’t want to be ruled by a party who cannot be unseated, amongst other reasons too obviously

Will all the leavers baying for no deal promise that they will happily get to the back of the queue when we are all suffering from shortages of essential foods and medicines

If no deal goes as badly as I think it’s going to I think it will be hard to find anyone who will admit to voting Leave.
I bet there’s loads of Leavers claiming everything will be fine and people are worried about nothing. Whilst secretly stocking up on essentials.

I voted leave as I don’t want to be ruled by a party who cannot be unseated
Which party did you vote for in the EU elections?
How can it not be unseated?

The EU is a democratic institution.

The European Parliament is elected.
The Council of Ministers is made up of elected Politicians.

The Commission is the equivalent of the civil service.

The EU is not collapsing Brexit has made it more united.

I read posts like GoGreen from my Scottish angle and her last paragraph sums up why lots of people want Scottish independence. I trust those advocating No Deal and walking away without paying a penny won’t moan if Scotland does the same in the event of a Yes vote?

TM has said that if we leave with no deal she will turn the UK into a low wage, low tax economy like Singapore so that we can compete
Do people know what that actually means? It would be a reduction in workers rights, we wouldn't have welfare, benefits or an NHS
All those calling for it like JRM are independently wealthy and would make even more money. Unless pp are in the same position it is strange to wish for that position

I just posted this on the other thread;

www.smh.com.au/national/new-trade-agreements-secure-australian-exports-to-britain-post-brexit-20190119-p50sf3.html

The EU is a sinking ship, once we’ve left, I give it 2years max before others start to leave too.

The EU is in a far better position than the UK. To think it's not is crazy. The UK needs the EU far more than the EU needs the UK.

Others won't want to leave because they will have seen from the UK what a massive fuck up it is to leave.

The UK's economy is just over 80% services and just under 20% manufacturing. The financial services and transport industries each contribute about 10% to GDP. If neither of those sectors can access the EU then the UK economy will crash. Not might crash, but will crash.

The Leave campaigners said 3 years ago reject this quite simple issue as "Project Fear" and said Britain would build a new economy based on trade deals. But for Britain to recover from the crash and for these deals to make sense, our manufacturing sector would have to reverse decades of decline and we would have to compete with the emerging economies of India and China. For our exports to go up, our wages would have to be competitive with those 2 countries which would mean wages go down and further crashes the economy. If those saying No Deal is a good thing can explain how we would avoid the economic crash then I am sure more people would get behind them.

The majority of MPs across all parties don't want No Deal because they can't escape the fact that it makes No Economic Sense.

The EU is a sinking ship

Do you really think the rest of the EU are looking at the U.K. thinking "that looks brilliant I'll have some of that"?

We are a car crash happening in slow motion. They are watching between their fingers in fascinated horror.

We are the show case example of why you shouldn't leave the EU.

Posted too soon;

Australia and Britain have signed a new bilateral Wine Agreement and Mutual Recognition Agreement overnight in London, which will help ensure the continued flow of trade post-Brexit

Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment Simon Birmingham said these agreements would ensure arrangements already in place between Australia and the European Union for our wine and other exports continued to apply for Britain post-Brexit