To ask why would anyone want no deal?

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Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

We need to source necessities like medication and fresh food not wine from the other side of the world. What's going to happen to food banks now that people are stockpiling for their own families?

And power cuts
Why is Brexit going to cause power cuts?
Do you have a link to that?

GrammarTeacher- people on here have such little knowledge of Ireland that they use terms like Southern Ireland. I'm in England and 40+ so know better but my children's generation are not taught it at school. While they know that there's a Northern Ireland and Ireland, they would have no clue about the GFA and history. I never heard any are Remainers mention Ireland. The TV and radio I heard was very wishy washy and there were certainly no big personalities like BoJo and Farage getting attention. A lot of people saw it as an anti Cameron act to vote Leave.

I don't want a 'no deal' either but I am feeling more positive - hopefully the news today is an indication that many other countries will want to trade with us in the event of a 'no deal'

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-45657966

If mrsC lives in Northern Ireland she could well be right

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-45657966

Power cuts a possibility in NI with No deal. What with a shared grid with a foreign/EU country. Unlikely elsewhere.

The EU is NOT trying to punish us,

Maybe not, but if it looks too easy there's a risk that another country will then leave. It has to negotiate hard if this isn't to happen.

My worry is that most people aren't really aware of the real impact a hard brexit will have. It may not look too bad, but the impact on the economy will be huge and long lasting. It will affect jobs as businesses go bust, reduce government spending, increase international crime, reduce house prices, reduce availablity of goods, increase food prices etc. It won't signifiantly reduce immigration either.

Hope these fab new trade deals get sorted before the shops run empty.

@SilverySurfer

I gave up discussing my views on the subject a long time ago and rarely read Brexit threads these days. I only came on this one to report it, asking for it to be moved to the Brexit Board. I see nothing has changed.

A lot of remainers still have superinflated superiority complexes which they think gives them the right to call Leavers any vile name they like. I think it's borne out of frustration. They have whined and moaned for over two years which has achieved absolutely nothing.

I don't know any Leaver who gives a fuck that they are called stupid, hard of thinking, ignorant, thick as pigshit etc. Sticks and stones and all that. It just shows how ineffective and pathetic the namecallers must be. I pity them.

Good post - 100% agree. I pity them too.

@GoGreen

The EU is a sinking ship, once we’ve left, I give it 2years max before others start to leave too.

YEP, that's what I said too.

I would prefer no deal instead of the rubbish one on offer.

Same.

@Smilesun

The UK needs the EU more than EU needs the UK.

You're wrong. We need the EU for NOTHING. And they know it. This is why they are so desperate for us to stay.

And why do they need us?

Not only for our trade, but also for our £350 million a week! (Which they will stop getting soon!)

Do you seriously think they give a SHIT about us? If we were paying a fiver a month to them, they would have sent a leaving card to us 2.5 years ago, and waved us off with an 'off you fuck' sign pinned to the cliffs at Calais.

@MrsChollySawcutt

Will all the leavers baying for no deal promise that they will happily get to the back of the queue when we are all suffering from shortages of essential foods and medicines?

Thought not.

Awwm bless. You've been reeled in by all the scaremongering and propaganda from the frothing remoaners.

Chill your boots. We will not have a shortage of ANYthing and the UK won't fall off the planet. Just relax ...

I agree with a pp... All the hate and vitriol thrown at leavers - by remoaners. is borne out of frustration and anger - because they can't get their own way (and they are running out of toys to throw out of their pram!) Oh, and also fear - they are lashing out coz they're scared.

I am not. I haven't been this excited for anything for YEARS.

A prominent Brexiteer I know has long wanted to replace the NHS with ‘a free market of private providers’.

Meaning anyone who wants to set up a company offering a healthcare service can do so and charge for it.

Patients would be responsible for choosing and paying for their own care - a bit like building a house, you’d find your own architect, carpenter, electrician etc and make your own deals with them to create the package you want. These medical ‘tradespeople’ would be entirely profit making and lightly regulated.

I asked him how an elderly person with no family, scant funds and dementia would negotiate this new care landscape and he said:
‘People like that are hardly important, they’re minus sum contributors. It’s negligible in the grand scheme of things.’

He then caught himself slightly and said, ‘I do think the decline in Christianity is a pity though as charities should exist to help these people.’

I asked what charities he supports and he has only ever donated to two - the IEA and the Conservative Party.

This is a micro example of what the people who advocate ND want.
The freedom to do away with regulations and protections that hamper profit.

Some justify this view through the ‘magic trickle down effect’ that means everyone will get richer if the richest are freed up to make profit.

The big bad EU has been stopping the free for all - insisting on workers rights, quality standards and safety regulations etc.

If you’re wealthy enough to profit from ND, I can see the logic but find you worryingly lacking in empathy.
If you don’t have a lot of spare capital or assets (at the minimum enough so you don’t have to work for a living) then you’d be mad to vote ND.

It’s not patronising to say this.
I know nothing about building a brick wall, it would be a fucking disaster.
If an unscrupulous brick merchant sold me a load of bricks and mortar and told me it was a piece of piss, and lots of very skilled builders pointed out I was doing something dangerous, I wouldn’t huff off cos they’d called me thick.

People were lied to by politicians they thought they could trust. It doesn’t make them stupid, it makes them good people who acted in good faith.

Listen to experts, impartial ones from outside the EU and the UK. They have no dog in this fight and all say ND would be a disaster.

But even if we crash out with no deal, we will have to negotiate some sort of deal (free trade deal) at some point in the future, as well as all those wonderful deals with other countries that we don’t trade with half as much as we do with the EU, which will mean years and years of wrangling from a weak position, having impoverished ourselves significantly beforehand.
Mad.

I'm naturally positive.
I'm sure the UK can get through this. It is what it is.

According to the wetherspoon guy it's because UK wouldn't need to pay divorce fee, could bring in cheap non-eu products, control of fishing and of course "regain democracy "

Oh, and also fear - they are lashing out coz they're scared

I don’t mind admitting I’m scared (I’m not lashing out though). I’ve recently been made redundant. Two years ago there was plenty of work for my particular job role. In 2 months there’s been 1 job available, all the recruitment agencies have said it’s been really slow.

Companies aren’t recruiting as it’s too uncertain at the moment. So yeah I’m scared.

Re the big bad eu insisting on workers rights etc do you think all the eu countries actually implement these rights, that they have any teeth to make sure these laws are followed through on the ground?

Do you think that a country like Romania with notoriously corrupt government is implementing eu policies.

Our system of government is not perfect, we know Parliament etc can be improved but generally we are worlds away from how many eu countries govern themselves.

Our country, our society wants to be progressive and move forward, we are one of the Liberal, free leading light countries in the world.

We will not turn back the clock to the dark ages once we leave the eu because we never had light due to it.

The Dyson guy says no deal wouldn't change anything. But he mentions that manufacturing costs are important so probably looking to take advantage of lower costs.

Do you seriously think they give a SHIT about us?

I think they are laughing at your stupidity, and watching the car crash in horror.

redandyellow your posts sound great in theory but they are just bravado and bluster. I’m happy to be convinced by your convictions but they need to be more than just rhetoric.

Please could you answer any of the following:-

• how will the UK encourage investors in industries which need JIT access to the E.U.?
• if businesses like Nissan Leave the UK because of delays in JIT, what industries could we replace those jobs with?
• what trade deals do we want to negiotiation that we couldn’t before?
• why will the government suddenly start to deal with the real issues that caused the Leave result, which are nothing to do with the EU, when they haven’t bothered to do so before?

Firstly, I don't like people calling those with different opinions thick as pig shit (even if I do think those opinions are not the most well informed).

However, this made me smile a bit...

from a No-Dealer:
"I would give some back, but I not that petty and pathetic."

In the same post: "angry and bitter little remoaners.."
..."rancid posts"

....[follows up with insulting gif]

...more posts with increasingly nasty, ad hominem insults...

Is that deliberate irony?
I hope so, but I fear not....

Its a pattern I've noticed from a couple of keen posters... Complain (rightly perhaps) about unpleasant insults, claim that a leaver like them would never stoop so low, and then follow this up with equally nasty (if not worse!) comments.
Reveals a distinct lack of self awareness.

Yay great. I wonder how long it will take for Australian meat, currently banned by the EU on our shelves? Flown across the world and pumped with EU banned substances, but cheap. British farmers must be jumping with joy!

The Dyson guy says no deal wouldn't change anything

I’m sure he’ll be able to keep producing Dysons in Malaysia as normal.

and it looks as if there will be gridlock at the ports because of extra checks

It seems that quite a few ports around the country are seeing Brexit as a business opportunity. Most of the ports are privately funded and run and some of them are looking to pinch trade from Dover:

Brexit-ready warehousing
At DP World London Gateway, planning permission for warehousing can be granted in less than 28 days

Is there a rail way?
The UK’s deep-sea ports have capacity to handle additional trains; and with one train capable of removing some 80 trucks from the road, rail could be one way to bypass border delays, with the cargo on a train being customs cleared in much the same way as on a ship

And there is capacity at DP World’s rail freight terminals. At DP World London Gateway, the port has one of the UK’s longest rail terminals, served by three rail mounted gantry cranes. It has also proven its capability for handling international trains, being the first UK terminal to handle an export rail service to China

www.londongateway.com/news-media/blogs/unpacking-brexit

One of the UK’s leading importers of fresh fruit is looking to increase volumes via Liverpool

www.peelports.com/blogs/2018/liverpool-connection-bears-fruit-for-fresh-produce-importer

This week we’ve already highlighted how cargo owners and their supply chain providers should look at two alternatives to traditional cross-channel roll-on, roll-off ferry traffic across the Dover Straits

Bearbehind - I don't think redandyellow is here to discuss facts. It's patently about the polarisation.

Sleightofmind - yes absolutely, deregulation, profiteering and asset stripping is a huge motivator for some pro-brexiters (in a Trumpian style).