To ask why would anyone want no deal?

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Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

The EU will shaft us with all the current deals, They have far more to lose in a no deal and if they believed we might go for a no deal we would have one mighty negotiating tool and we would end up getting them to actually give some ground instead of the bullying tactics that made so many vote leave. By announcing we will never do a No deal the EU can rub their hands together and hold their ground and we will head to the leave but not really scenario that is on offer now. ie follow all their rules but have no say. In actual fact there is an argument for a No deal eventually working out better but as anyone with any sense says, NO ONE has a clue, what ever they say

It's because we are in a negotiation situation.
Our position is very weak unless we are prepared to walk away with no deal.

No one actually wants no deal but its part of a process.
I'm no business person at all, but I have been in a few negotiations and it's part of a strategy. Without this strategy we are at the mercy of the other side.
There are also 2 agendas at play.
One is the politics, junker, the eu dream of unity etc. The other is business and the needs of business within the eu.

Pressure is applied from some business within the eu but not that much. Business leaders are starting to panic on the other side. People joke about the German car industry but it's a real thing and business consortium's are starting to panic.

The eu always puts the political ideology before everything else. But in the this case when dissent for the project is growing they have a fine walk between the political project.. Not showing its easy to leave AND.... Not displeasing nations within it further!
Tricky.

No one WANTS no deal. Problem is the EU won't agree with us no matter what in order to make an example of us and it is this that will leave ya no deal. Not the British public wanting one.

The EU is NOT trying to punish us, it is a rules-based institution (and needs to be, 27/28 countries can't work together based on trust alone!), and if we don't want to play by the rules any more, that's fine, but we don't get to play. Simples.

No deal is bad for the EU, but worse for us.

It's all an utter shitshow, but mostly due to us Brits not understanding how the EU really works, and what the benefits are.

No deal means massive disruption to all our imports and exports, it will mean higher prices, it will mean issues with supply of food and medicines, and it will mean problems in Ireland. Not sure why people would want that.

Brexit doesn't make sense, never has. Getting better trade by cutting off contact with your biggest trading partner? Being more outward-looking by closing borders? Controlling borders but keeping frictionless trade?

I for one do not want a No Deal, and I find it hard to believe that all 17.4 million Leave voters understood that was what they were voting for.

NO DEAL is 1000 X better than a shit deal, that turns us from MEMBERS of the EU, to SUBJECTS of the EU.

As far as I am concerned, I am MORE than happy to leave with no deal, and I hope it happens.

I reckon a month tops before the EU comes crawling back, and within a year, at least one other country will have a referendum and will vote to leave, (like we had the common sense to.) Within 10 years the EU will fall apart.

I will be glad when it's over, and we can finally break free from the constraints of this bullying, controlling, manipulative, self-serving boys club.

I believe some people in power do want a no deal and the chaos that follows. Some people want to inflict misery on other people, they get a massive kick out of it because they are evil psychopaths. Either that or they stand to make a whole heap of money out of it.

The people calling for no deal are a small minority but they are very manipulative and are able to convince less intelligent people that up is down and left is right.

@redandyellowandpinkandgreen99

Are you being sarcastic, or do you actually believe that?

Because some people believe that tearing up every single trade agreement (both EU and non-EU) that the UK has us a great idea? And don’t think that anything could possibly go wrong?

Beats me??

The nonsense that no deal is so bad that the EU would back down has no logic. The EU is not going to risk the single market by giving Brexit Britain the ‘cake and eat it’ option. The WA is an exceptionally good deal for the UK in trade terms, but what the Leave campaign promised was never possible so no deal can ever be good enough.

We won’t have to pay a £40bn ‘divorce’ settlement for a deal that screws us over basically.

It's a negotiating strategy.

agree with redandyellow

In my part of the country, it feels like people overwhelmingly want no deal. That's actually what they meant when they voted leave.

Totally agree with redandyellow too. No deal is WAYYYY better than any shit deal being presented atm.

That's actually what they meant when they voted leave.

Neither of the leave campaigns campaigned on a no-deal basis and the first time the term was widely used appears to have been in 2017.

With a very few exceptions, anyone claiming to have voted for no deal is a liar.

I think it is popular mainly because it's a simple "solution" to a problem that is too complex for many people to get their heads around. Plus it's been tied up with a Rule Britannia ribbon by the usual suspects.

Because no deal actually is better than a bad deal, May’s deal. It would be better to Leave in March with no deal, with WTO rules and start to move on from this whole mess. This has gone on for far too long, no need to prolong the agony.

With a very few exceptions, anyone claiming to have voted for no deal is a liar

Of course they’re not. I don’t recall ‘bad deal trying yet failing to deliver the impossible and please everyone’ being a choice on the ballot.

Well, some of the wealthy right-wing elite will no doubt benefit from no deal, as they will have plenty of opportunities to exploit the misery of others and they will do very well out of it.

Then there are others who want no deal because they do not have any understanding of the likely impact on them. Those are the people who will probably suffer the most, but they just don't know it yet.

@Mistigri I voted on the basis of wanting a No Deal. I am not a liar...

I find all this blaming of the EU really bizarre. The UK wanted to maintain some of the 4 freedoms, but not others. They come as a package. In the same way you can't just buy the red pepper in the bag of mixed peppers in your supermarket, you can't avail of one but not the others. Or wanting to leave your gym but continue to use the cross-trainer.

The backstop is not because the EU are mean bullies picking on poor little UK. The backstop is to ensure the UK fulfill their legal obligations under a binding international agreement that they voluntarily signed. The EU is simply preventing the UK from reverting to its historical policy of shitting on Ireland.

So the likes of @PinkGin24, @redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 and @bigknickersbigknockers when stating (or agreeing) with As far as I am concerned, I am MORE than happy to leave with no deal, and I hope it happens. are displaying a complete disregard for a legally binding international agreement. It says a lot about their integrity.

For those suggesting we'll be better off on WTO rules, can you be more specific please? For instance, what tariffs will be applied to food, exactly how it will affect our import of medicines? I hear lots of people talk about WTO rules, but would be interested to know if people actually understand the detail.

Judging from the answers from no deal supporters on this thread, it’s because they’re very very hard of thinking. The mega rich politicians purportedly supporting it are either using it as a negotiating strategy or in anticipation of large profits through market speculation.

@MrsAriadneOliver

It would be better to Leave in March with no deal, with WTO rules and start to move on from this whole mess.

Unless the UK waive tariffs to everybody (that would absolutely destroy the farming industry), WTO rules break the good Friday agreement. Which would you prefer - breaking an international agreement (that would really put the UK is a powerful negotiating position with other countries) or having no tariffs on any imports and thus destroying farming, and possibly other, industries.

From what I see with friends/family on social media, they'd rather No Deal because they blame the EU for everything and are angry and feel it'll serve the EU right.

Meanwhile another family member just returned from Spain saying it's not big news over there and the feeling he got is that the average Spaniard couldn't give a monkeys if Britain was in or out.

I voted on the basis of wanting a No Deal. I am not a liar...

@PinkGin24
It's an easy claim to make anonymously on an Internet forum. You could support your claim by linking to a MN thread from 2016 where you said this, for example.

You may not be lying, but the odds are very high that you are either not being truthful, or that you are using a different definition of "no deal" to the one used by the OP.