To ask why would anyone want no deal?

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Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

If anything, our ridiculous chaos is bringing the E.U. together. Who wants what we are going through right now?

Apologies @Moussemoose , that's exactly what you said.

@bellinisurge great minds

Agree with you Moussemoose. I live in another country in Europe and have done for a long time. The UK is a joke and horrorshow. So many have spoken about the UK with pity and shock the last couple of years.

Clavinova
The UK imports Australian wine. What other areas of the UK economy are protected by that deal?

Do you really think the rest of the EU are looking at the U.K. thinking "that looks brilliant I'll have some of that"? We are a car crash happening in slow motion. They are watching between their fingers in fascinated horror. We are the show case example of why you shouldn't leave the EU

Totally agree with moussemouse

PS
The only countries lined up to join the EU in the near future are the remaining Balkan states - who will have diddly squat impact on places like the UK.

Turkey will never join now as Erdogan does not want it

Great idea, let's add billions of food miles by importing all our Food from Australia and the US.

That won't raise prices or impact global warming at all, obviously.

Australia and Britain have signed a new bilateral Wine Agreement and Mutual Recognition Agreement overnight in London, which will help ensure the continued flow of trade post-Brexit

It’s been 2 1/2 years since the referendum. And the big success you point to is that the is a trade deal for Australia to sell us wine.

These agreements provide assurances to Australian exporters that they will be able to get their goods into the UK post-Brexit, whether it be wine, medical devices or automotive parts, without additional trade barriers or regulations

They are a significant and necessary step in our post-Brexit preparations, where we want to minimise disruptions to trade flows and provide as much certainty to Australian exporters as we can

On top of these, we’re committed to securing a comprehensive free trade agreement with the UK as soon as they are in a position to do so, which will even further boost trade flows between our two countries

I stumbled upon it - looking up wine tariffs for the other thread!

At least we can all get pissed. That'll solve everything

Clavinova
So what is in it for the UK on the deal?
What does the UK export to Oz?
Which bits of the UK economy are saved by bringing more stuff from the other side of the world?

At least we can all get pissed. That'll solve everything

You might be able to bell I’ve just been made redundant. Can’t buy lovely Aussie wine with my none existent wages now can I.

I would give some back, but I not that petty and pathetic.

I keep hearing this kind of thing from "leavers" and I just don't believe you. I don't believe you understand what's happening at all and I think you hide behind taking the moral high ground so that you don't get drawn into a discussion that you cannot have because you don't actually have the knowledge or facts to have it.

Just googled New Zealand;

Whatever Britain decides about its new place in the world, New Zealand stands with you

Jacinda Ardern
Prime Minister of New Zealand
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/20/whatever-britain-decides-new-place-world-new-zealand-stands/

I don't think that the EU is trying to punish us. They have a duty to protect Ireland who is a member which is why they have come up with the backstop as a solution. Of course the EU doesn't want other countries leaving but they can't stop it happening if Westminster makes it happen.

The thing that upsets me most is that it appears leavers didn't know or care about the GFA. How quickly people forget it seems. One of the greatest achievements in domestic policies of my lifetime and it's forgotten because it's not England. And that's what a lot of people seem to mean when they say Britain on these threads. There's a very good reason the people of NI voted remain.

Ta1kinPeace
Clavinova
So what is in it for the UK on the deal?

I think more to the point is that we are unlikely to starve as is being suggested.

Yes because getting things from NZ and Australia is the same as getting stuff from France! Ridiculous.

Clavinova
I think more to the point is that we are unlikely to starve as is being suggested
Australian wine is not ideal breakfast food for children.
What other stuff do we import from Oz?

It's very worrying how people have fallen for the no-deal narrative.

PP are right - this was never mentioned as an option pre-referendum. Imagine someone saying we're going to leave the EU and we might start to see some benefits in 50 years, after we have completely run down all manufacturing and farming to restructure the economy. Our GDP will shrink to the size of Portugal's. We can use non-energy saving lightbulbs though if we can find anyone to manufacture them just for the UK market and are happy to pay the increased energy bills.

Nobody would have voted for that. It was sold as a deal that would be negotiated in which the UK would have whatever it liked.

So we’ve got - Aussie wine and NZ standing by us.

I voted leave as I don’t want to be ruled by a party who cannot be unseated

Brexit has exposed the opposition (Labour) to be weak and made it harder to get rid of the Tories.
I voted for my local MEP. Didn't you?

I predict a resurgence of the old NZ lamb ads from the 1970s.

And power cuts.