To ask why would anyone want no deal?

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Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

Posted too soon then.
People generally resent being called thick as pig s.
If anything, that would make them kick back, think f you, and not consider changing their opinion. Hence the now entrenched leave vote.

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But what I see is that each individual business across the the eu isn't going to care how many of them will suffer compared to how many will suffer in the UK

The thing is you have a lot of (most) businesses in the U.K. highly anti no deal Brexit. This doesn’t mean the U.K. government is taking no deal off the table. So why would that same situation mean the E.U. stops no deal from occurring.

Thickos on this thread blaming EU for our problems and think the world owes this little island everything. Talk about stupid arrogance.

Please don’t call people as thick as pig shit.

I don’t agree with people who want no deal but these are seriously complicated times. Name calling just gets people’s backs up.

No wonder Leavers don’t want to discuss their views on mumsnet.

AdequateFood

Yes!

I've always wanted no deal. Why should we pay to leave a club? A club that will be a sinking ship in the future.

No deal doesn’t get us out of the bill FFS.

This is a good potted history of leave thinking: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1086899951735574528.html

The no deal option is a late development (despite unsupported and most likely false claims to the contrary by people who can't remember what line they were spinning yesterday let alone three years ago) but it was long in the making, as leavers failed over a period of many years to coalesce around a practical route out of the EU.

True adequate!. Our situation is different because our governments hands are tied in that we UK voted for this.
In eu however, they didn't vote for this and its been thrust on them.

I do find Germany an interesting case. We only really here about their views on all of this. I have no idea exposed to UK media for instance what Greece thinks of brexit.

It's interesting that the German car market is always mentioned however its all about their car market and ours.
Will German car makers save brexit.. Do they need us... Will they put pressure on.
I've just had a quick Google (again) to see what the current stance is.
Totally mixed.
Broken down to each individual state and how it will affect them.
Bosses of Daimler, bmw have written open letter saying don't leave. On the one side it seems keeping 27 countries together is the main aim.
On the other we are a huge market to them.

The other problem is the eu has awful youth unemployment... If people in eu start to loose jobs due to eu politics. What then?

We're just going to move this one over to the Brexit topic. OP, do get in touch if you have any problems.

@doireallyneedto

So the likes of PinkGin24, redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 and bigknickersbigknockers when stating (or agreeing) with As far as I am concerned, I am MORE than happy to leave with no deal, and I hope it happens. are displaying a complete disregard for a legally binding international agreement. It says a lot about their integrity.

Yes of course dear...........

This thread sure has brought out the angry and bitter little remoaners hasn't it? With their usual spiel .. Leavers are thick, bigoted, badly educated, stupid, racist, ignorant Daily Mail Readers.........

Change the fucking record. It's been stuck for 2 and half years now.

I would give some back, but I not that petty and pathetic. And I must say, the more remoaners post, the funnier and more entertaining their rancid posts get, and the more I rub my hands with glee at the thought of a NO DEAL BREXIT.

I can just see the steam shooting from the ears of the remoaners on here, as they bash away on the keyboard, knocking out more insults aimed at the leavers.

I picture them something like this, complete with cat's bum mouth.

The EU will lose in a no deal Brexit.

They will lose a lot more if they give in now.

The 4 Freedoms are central to the EU they can not compromise them.
After 2 years of consistently sending out one message to suddenly do a 180 would make them look weak and foolish.
If a message goes out that the EU gives in when pushed it weakens all EU negotiations.

The other problem is the eu has awful youth unemployment

The average for youth unemployment in the E.U. is 15.6% there is a massive range from a very low 6.1% in Germany to a massive 40+% in Greece.

The countries that trade the most with the U.K. tend to have fairly low youth unemployment.

True.

I'm not sure what I would do if I was the eu.

The excuse for giving us more favourable deal would be our contributions across all fronts.

But I agree they can't seem to look weak either and they can't make it too easy to leave 🤔

redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 I'm sure you appreciate the remain supporters who have suggested we keep this polite and have criticised the "thick" comment.

Do you class 'remoaner' as an insult? You say you won't insult back but you use that unpleasant little word quite a lot.

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I can just see the steam shooting from the ears of the remoaners on here, as they bash away on the keyboard, knocking out more insults aimed at the leavers

I do wish people wouldn’t insult leavers. It’s rude and unhelpful.

The biggest thing our generation has ever faced and it is still being hidden in the Brexit corner.

Every single thread on AIBU could fit into another topic yet they are allowed to stay in the generic area.

It’s a bloody disgrace.

I'm interested by leave supporters posting links about WTO rules that show the deals we have are in the vaat majority of cases due to our membership of the EU...

Leavers are thick, bigoted, badly educated, stupid, racist, ignorant Daily Mail Readers

If the cap fits.

Your posts are doing nothing to paint leavers in a positive light.

The average for youth unemployment in the E.U. is 15.6% there is a massive range from a very low 6.1% in Germany to a massive 40+% in Greece.

Very difficult to make country comparisons of youth unemployment because the figures are not necessarily measuring the same thing, and because there are wide differences in participation in the work force (vs higher education) between the U.K. and some EU states.

But broadly yes most of the bits of the EU that are most exposed to Brexit have low youth unemployment.

It's a mistake to see this as a purely economic calculation though. If brexiters are prepared (and many say they are) to contemplate an 8% fall in GDP in exchange for "more sovereignty" do you not think that EU countries might be prepared for a much smaller fall in GDP in exchange for protection of the EU's most valuable creation, the single market?

@Burpsandfustles - But do you think the eu has anything to loose at all.

Of course the EU have plenty to lose. That is why they have given the concessions they have to the UK. Any other country (other than Ireland) who wanted to leave the EU would have a much easier negotiation process as they are not party to an internationally binding agreement that requires specific border conditions.

A question to those of you saying you support no deal. How do you think the UK should deal with WTO rules post a no deal Brexit :

A). Trade under WTO tariffs and thus break the GFA as this would require border checks

Or

B). Waive tariffs on all goods that travel between ROI and NI. This would require the waiving of tariffs on trade with all WTO members and would be likely to obliterate the British farming industry.

That's really it in terms of choices under No Deal.

*A). Trade under WTO tariffs and thus break the GFA as this would require border checks

Or

B). Waive tariffs on all goods that travel between ROI and NI. This would require the waiving of tariffs on trade with all WTO members and would be likely to obliterate the British farming industry.*

This is completely wrong , the bigger issue is not tariffs but compliance with single market rules. Waiving tariffs would not remove the need for border checks. There is only one way to leave the EU without breaching the GFA, and that is May's deal.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood
Please don’t call people as thick as pig shit.
I don’t agree with people who want no deal but these are seriously complicated times. Name calling just gets people’s backs up.
No wonder Leavers don’t want to discuss their views on mumsnet.

I gave up discussing my views on the subject a long time ago and rarely read Brexit threads these days. I only came on this one to report it, asking for it to be moved to the Brexit Board. I see nothing has changed. A lot of remainers still have superinflated superiority complexes which they think gives them the right to call Leavers any vile name they like. I think it's borne out of frustration. They have whined and moaned for over two years which has achieved absolutely nothing. I don't know any Leaver who gives a fuck that they are called stupid, hard of thinking, ignorant, thick as pigshit etc. Sticks and stones and all that. It just shows how ineffective and pathetic the namecallers must be. I pity them.

Thank you for moving it MNHQ

They have whined and moaned for over two years which has achieved absolutely nothing

I think you’ll find it’s the government who’ve achieved absolutely nothing.