To ask why would anyone want no deal?

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Watching Sunday morning political shows. A few politicians suggesting they would prefer no deal if necessary. These people are presumably intelligent and educated
Yet they believe - although I struggle to see it - that ultimately it will be better for the country economically in the long run. Just wondering what the theory is behind this belief?

@1tisILeClerc Cadbury owned by mondalez as part of the kraft group have a factory in Poland. The Cadbury chocolate we get in the UK (mainland anyway, I don't know about NI) is made here but it has been known for supplies to come from Poland. The codes on the pack say where they are from. Cadbury chocolate is vile since they changed the cocoa butter for palm oil after the takeover. The original Dairy Milk is mourned by many. There was a thread a few months back about it. Mr Cadbury's great, great great grandson (not sure how many greats are correct) James Cadbury has set up his own company called Love Cocoa, (in London) and is trying to get back to the original recipe. His chocolate is lovely and no palm oil.

However, back to the thread, it's worrying that supplies are already affected but it's no surprise as locally to me Tesco, Asda, and Waitrose have been out of stock or very low stock on many things since Christmas. I'm glad I've got a growing Brexit Box as I called it of extra items should there be issues with supplies.

I can't get over those who are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing la la la la la when it comes to the reality of no deal and how it will affect us. There's the old British keep calm and carry on, stiff upper lip etc but that's resilience not sticking your head in the sand.

LeClerc

Well perhaps it is the perception of where something is made and by who as opposed to the actual reality.

The U.K. at present is developing the reputation of being an unstable economic partner, that really doesn't bode well for its future.

I used to have a running commentary of who was owned by whom but that was a few years back. The point being chocolate sold in the US as 'British' may well be made elsewhere.
Rowntrees might be British owned unless I am thinking of Terrys.

Both owned by nestle now and also shite.

Mondelez is based in Illinois, but I think Hershey’s acquired the rights to make Cadbury branded chocolate in the US? Terry’s was also part of Mondelēz but has been sold on again. Chocolate oranges are not what they used to be

Rich Hall has a good rant about Kraft (as was) taking over Cadbury’s.

Nestle bought out Rowntrees in 1988.

So, are we all going to wave a magic wand and move to Amsterdam like Sony or Singapore like Dyson. Or maybe just change all our papers to Non- British ones like P&O. No?
Wonder how long it takes for the penny to drop for the hardliners that this is a shit show cooked up by disaster capitalists who don't give a shit about how you got hurt by austerity?

Did anyone answer the question I asked three times ? the how long will they take and how will the new deals be better than the ones we have now one ? In the event of a no deal scenario ?

"The chief executive of the civil service has said the government will never be fully prepared for Brexit as he revealed plans to move up to 5,000 staff into an emergency command and control centre in the event of no deal."

Don't you get it, @frumpety , No Dealers have answered your questions in other posts, possibly in other threads. If you are too discourteous to go back and hunt for more ridiculous bullshit you are obviously at fault and it proves that Remainers never listened to the people and deserve this in fact they caused it. And breeeeaaaathe.

34 Parliamentary sitting days left to sort it all out, I just thought people who still believe in no deal would have some idea of the timescales and the actual quantifiable benefits by now.

@frumpety , you and I are not true BeLeavers and so must wait for wisdom to be bestowed from on high. A true BeLeaver knows [taps side of nose] and mere mortals cannot look upon their face and guess at the wonders that are within.
This stupid shit is Not British. We don't do shit like this. The experiment hasn't worked so we give it up and try a different approach. That's the British way. This messianic bullshit would be embarrassing if it wasn't so fucking scary.

But if it is indeed going to be marvellous and wonderful, why are they not sharing the joy ? Is it because

A. It isn't going to be marvellous and wonderful but they haven't worked out a way to say that without sounding like a remainer

B. It is going to be marvellous and wonderful but they don't actually know how or when. Nobody on Team leave has come up with any facts or timescales that when looked at in the cold light of day give a marvellous and wonderful outcome for all of the 17million plus who voted for marvellous and wonderful, but are now being told they didn't

C. Feelings are far more important than facts, although in my experience you ignore one at the others peril.

Doubletrouble

I'm also sure there are also quite a few things that don't actually need to go back and forward over the channel and manufacturers have simply got into the habit of doing this because they can

Yes i agree - no doubt there are areas uk could limit movements on but unless the UK has the capacity/expertise to finish goods, then where is the alternative?

The beauty of the SM/CU is goods can be sold as easily in Paris as they can in Plymouth.

As for using other UK ports, Brittany Ferries, having agreed to do this, have just announced that there will have to be time table changes for 6 weeks after brexit, affecting 1000's of holiday makers inc over the Easter break - hopefully any leavers effected will think the extra hotel costs and inconvenience is a price worth paying..

affecting 1000's of holiday makers inc over the Easter break - hopefully any leavers effected will think the extra hotel costs and inconvenience is a price worth paying..

Where are all these supermarket shortages?
In the last week I've been to Tesco and Asda-no shortages whatsoever.
Just interested to know!

My little boy's favourite curly wurly squirlies are made in Poland so I'd better add a few packets of those to my brexit box.

No shortages at the moment because shops can restock readily, responding to info collected on stock movement using bar codes at sale points etc. And if people are buying extra they are doing sensibly and proportionately which the current restock system can cope with.
Different story when the penny finally drops for idiot no Dealers who start panicking and when we actually leave with no deal. When the Just in Time system is fucked.

Where are all these supermarket shortages?
In the last week I've been to Tesco and Asda-no shortages whatsoever.
Just interested to know!

And this is the answer to why people think a No Deal Brexit is not a bad thing. Because they think it’s all done and dusted.

Brexit day is 2 months time and the UK businesses are working pretty much as they should so shortages are minimal.
It would be interesting to see the data that the supermarkets are amassing about what people are buying and the quantities.
They can almost predict what you will buy next time you go shopping from the data they have about you.

Where are all these supermarket shortages? In the last week I've been to Tesco and Asda-no shortages whatsoever

Well, this leaver is tired of opinions and economic projections (often by experts whose only expertise seems to be in consistently getting it wrong) masquerading as facts. That said, I could hardly disagree that many people, including some who want no deal, could be better informed.

I tend to find the Norths, père and fils, persuasive and certainly knowledgeable (and very cranky – at least the good doctor). Both are ardent leavers, but despair at no deal, ideally seeing Brexit as a long process which apparently few have an appetite for.

Totally confused here. I voted Remain, dh voted Leave.
I agree with others who have said that it was a protest vote for many, and distrust of the establishment who were nearly all for remain.
I voted Remain as I thought the status quo made more sense. I'm not an expert in economic affairs by any stretch.
It's a worry that Nigel Farage has said he will start another political party if Brexit doesn't get through.
I think the whole situation is a mess. I've started stocking up, thanks Bellini off the peppers thread.
I can't see any way out. If there's a PV then leave may win again. Extend A50 and we're just kicking the can down the road. Call off Brexit would undoubtedly cause so much ill feeling and riots.

Feel sick with worry about the whole thing.

Preppers not peppers

I bought a couple of jars of peppers, Boss. Just in case.

Also, not calling off Brexit will definitely bring chaos and riots when the shortages hit and the tickets for the Easter holiday become unusable.