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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:10

I know that every name is recorded. It's done very quickly!

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 19:11

May's position is untenable after she lost last nights vote
Corbyn's will be untenable after he loses this one
(and his Sinn Fein chums cannot help him here !!)

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 19:11

While we are waiting for the inevitable, has anyone posted this yet. It tickled me a bit.

Billboard campaign reminds voters of MPs' Brexit promises
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/16/billboard-campaign-reminds-voters-of-mps-brexit-promises

Hasenstein · 16/01/2019 19:12

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 16/01/2019 19:14

Somehow I feel like May’s position being untenable isn’t actually going to stop her.

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:14

#LedbyDonkeys

Scary stuff but yet accurate ...

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:15

Thank you for the voting in the lobbies explanations :)

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 16/01/2019 19:16

ayes 306
nos 325

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 19:16

That was close

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 16/01/2019 19:16

Is that closer than expected?

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:17

Bloody close, what a fragile government.

Belindabelle · 16/01/2019 19:17

19! Her coat is on a shoogly peg.

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 19:17

OK thats close

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 19:18

Are the chains on he necklace symbolic??

TatianaLarina · 16/01/2019 19:18

Very close.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 19:18

I think that's as expected.

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 19:18

Somehow I feel like May’s position being untenable isn’t actually going to stop her.

Same for Corbyn. If either of them was going to be bothered by an untenable position they would have gone into hiding a long time ago.

DangermousesSidekick · 16/01/2019 19:18

So there are 330 Tory MPs, plus DUP. Some didn't vote perhaps?

IrenetheQuaint · 16/01/2019 19:18

I wonder if there were any surprises in the voting, or if every MP just lined up with their party whip.

prettybird · 16/01/2019 19:19

She wants to meet leaders individually - so yet more attempts at divide and conquer and/or bullying.

True consensus building would be done in a meeting with all leaders at the same time so that they can, you know, talk and be listened to Hmm

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 19:19

Anybody got access to the names ?
Any interesting ones?
631 votes in total ..... who is missing?

Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 19:20

Hang on was there abstainers or some brave Tories? What was her majority to start with 12? Or am I wrong?

Mrsr8 · 16/01/2019 19:20

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derxa · 16/01/2019 19:20

TM has invited Jeremy into her office for a meeting.

TatianaLarina · 16/01/2019 19:20

Well she won’t be meeting vince cable, he said unless she changed her red lines or considered second ref he wasn’t interested. So she said shan’t.

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