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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2019 11:30

They stopped after GFA because actual negotiators made that part of GFA.Corbyn had nothing to do with it.

I was misunderstood ... someone commented that the "IRA loved confrontation", and I rashly felt the need to delineate that a bit. Nothing whatsoever to do with Corbyn either.

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:30

That sounds great, Sos. 🙂

Sostenueto · 17/01/2019 11:30

Yes he says GE only real way but prepared to try again for a different deal and has mentioned PV at least twice.

Sostenueto · 17/01/2019 11:31

Emphatic no deal must be took off table and why.

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 11:32

Did anyone see the Andrew Neill interview with JRM? It was quite good. He demolished JRMs arguments on removing tariffs in the event of a no deal brexit.

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:32

🙂

Sostenueto · 17/01/2019 11:33

Now talking about new measures by DWP snuck through on Tuesday. If you have a younger partner benefits reduced.

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:33

🙂 was @ Sos for a bit of news that genuinely made me smile.

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 11:35

Yes he's good on taking no deal off the table but he's still saying PV a range of options after general election, which is what he's been saying all along when things have moved on.

Sostenueto · 17/01/2019 11:36

Good speech because he actually mentioned PV. And duty of tories to look at other options. Sticking to his mandate which we all knew. At least the public know now why he won't talk till no deal off table.

bellinisurge · 17/01/2019 11:37

Watched him on the news. More shite. When people need the opposite of shite.
List of reasons why the Tories are horrible. Yes, I that. Whatchagonna do about Brexit? Tick tick ...

Sostenueto · 17/01/2019 11:38

At least he's honest we all knew he wanted a GE and why. TM doesn't even know what honesty is!

Tonsilss · 17/01/2019 11:41

He's not honest. He pretends that he wants a general election to re-negotiate Brexit. He's a hard Brexiter, has no plan for re-negotiating, and just wants personal power.

bellinisurge · 17/01/2019 11:41

I think that cats are brilliant. I'm being honest and about as useful to a nation in crisis by saying so.

QueenMabby · 17/01/2019 11:41

Right. I think I’m going to email my MP Shock.
MP is/was technically a remainer but the consitituency voted Leave. The MP is a Tory sheep and just votes as instructed by the looks of things. (Voted for the WA and against the VNC).
I’m going to ask that her priority must now be to ensure that a no-deal Brexit does not and cannot happen and that the needs of the country must be put before party politicking. It will probably have no effect but at least I’ll have done something.

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 11:41

Yes but there's no point still banging on about a general election. He lost the VONC, there isn't going to be an election. He needs to move forward.

Loletta · 17/01/2019 11:42

James O'Brien saying on LBC that actually JC has back TM into a corner because if she drops No Deal the Tories will split and if she doesn't, she's still considering it and that doesn't look good.
Shame the press doesn't see it this way!

SillySallySingsSongs · 17/01/2019 11:42

His speech was nothing new. Same shite he has been spouting.

Not really clearer on what they would do.

Both 'camps' not budging.

Negotiations and compromissing going well then Hmm

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:43

Oh, I don't know re GE.

It's worth banging on about that because it's quite likely Gove will be imposed on us.

It's good to delegitimise that in advance.

SusanWalker · 17/01/2019 11:44

At this rate it will be 28/3 and JC will still be saying we need a general election but I won't take a PV off the table.

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:44

And QueenMabby, Fantastic!!!!!!

thecatfromjapan · 17/01/2019 11:48

Andrew Adonis @Andrew_Adonis 17/01/2019 11:32 (Twitter)
Expressing positivity towards speech. Says it moves us closer to PV.

😁

LonelyandTiredandLow · 17/01/2019 11:49

All of the leavers on my fb feed are out in force today with memes along the lines of "if we don't get Brexit democracy is dead", "leave means leave, we want NO DEAL". One posted an Australian clip of a news reader (?) going over how easy it should all be (still!) Which got Lots of shares - people still don't understand the complexities 2 years on.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 11:50

Lucy Fisher
‏*@LOS*_Fisher
NEW: Gvt has issued the official call-up for military reservists to be on standby to help in the event of a "no deal" Brexit.

Gavin Williamson announced in Dec that 3,500 troops would be held "at readiness". 10% will be reservists.

Here's the WMS today from Mark Lancaster -

Rowan Allport
‏*@DrRowanAllport*
We have declared war on ourselves.

Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in
Shitmewithyourrhythmstick · 17/01/2019 11:50

I feel the same as TatianaLarina. Corbyn bears his share of responsibility for things getting to this stage but now, today, I don't think he's doing anything particularly wrong. Or different to other opposition parties really, they're not negotiating until TM gives a bit either. You can think it would look better if he'd said all this in private and face to face like the others did, but it wouldn't change the substantive outcome here, and meanwhile it's still May that needs to make the changes.

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