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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 22:07

It makes me so, so angry when she says that 'overwhelmingly' the British people want her to 'get on with it'.

It was never overwhelming in the first place, and it certainly isn't now.

It's just an outright fucking lie.

jasjas1973 · 16/01/2019 22:07

Tories have always been cunning and she has turned the huge defeat, confidence vote and Corbyn s refusal to met her, right back on him... no blame attached to her or her party,

Using the 10pm news and Downing street for her own ends and out witted JC yet again... candy from a baby!

MarshaBradyo · 16/01/2019 22:08

Fairly pointless

She looks stressed and unhappy when she talks

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 22:08

Ooh not sure how satanic slipped in there?!?! Grin

DryIce · 16/01/2019 22:08

What was the actual point of that

Did she really make a 10pm speech to parrot the standard phrases and try to deflect it onto Corbyn?

nuttynutjob · 16/01/2019 22:08

Da fuq? Still trying to save the Tory Party then.

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 22:08

Hell. Hand basket.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 22:08

I feel more unsettled than ever after that!

Calyx · 16/01/2019 22:08

Tokyo I've got an idea how satanic got there Grin

IamTheMeg · 16/01/2019 22:08

All I saw was that she is very angry with jezza. Like a school headteacher and a naughty little boy. Bet she went back inside and kicked the wall.

Butterymuffin · 16/01/2019 22:09

Did she really make a 10pm speech to parrot the standard phrases and try to deflect it onto Corbyn?

Yep, that's the size of it. #constructive

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 22:09

She's full-on swivel-eyed loon.

I'll have you know that some of us swivel-eyed loons take great offence at being described as in any way similar to May.

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 22:09

David Allen Green@davidallengreen
Theresa May confirms that she wants somebody else to suggest what the government does next.

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:09

hazard
I was typing as I watched
so only realised afterwards that every phrase of hers had "deliver" in it

Tanith · 16/01/2019 22:10

"Labour's belief that women can have willies is another big reason I can't vote for them"

If you're going to rule out parties on that basis, then I think your only option is UKIP.

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 22:10

Saints could go to penalties, meanwhile.

SillySallySingsSongs · 16/01/2019 22:11

So Corbyn moans that she refuses to talk cross party to others.

She finally agrees to it. Everyone agrees to meetings, apart from Corbyn. Hmm Absolutely useless.

ElenadeClermont · 16/01/2019 22:11

I thought she is planning a GE and she tried to make sure that no remainer will vote for Labour ever again. (She said 80% of people voted for parties with delivering Brexit in their manifestos.) Or is that too cunning?

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 22:11

Andrew Neil @afneil
The Prime Minister makes yet another statement from the steps of Downing Street. Yet another statement repeating same phrases we’ve heard multiple times. And tells us nothing we didn’t already know.

Every one is getting pissed at this.

SmallAndFarAway · 16/01/2019 22:12

BUT imagine how you might feel after a new, hard border has been imposed, or with it imminent. In the polls, RoI is edging towards UI in a no deal scenario.

If the UK crashes out, I don't think there will be time for a border poll before the catastrophic consequences of a no deal forces the UK back to the negotiations with the EU - who promptly hand over an agreement settling the divorce bill, the status of EU/UK citizens settled abroad and the backstop, removing the incentive for ROI to vote for unification.

I stand to be corrected on the likelihood of the above.

Don't forget, our economy will get thrashed by the above too, so taking on the extra burden will be even less attractive:
"Why send NI €12.1 billion - let's fund the HSE instead"
seeing as the HSE would only piss away the money anyway, maybe it's not such a bad idea to vote for a United Ireland

Hazardswan · 16/01/2019 22:13

Ta1kin your psychic!

There must have been a meeting to discuss buzzwords why deliver?! Do we supposedly subconciously love deliveries because of pizza and Amazon so we will love her?

UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 22:13

Sky News helpfully reminding us that Parliament only actually sits for 37 more days before 29th March

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 22:13

Everyone agrees to meetings, apart from Corbyn.

No. Nobody has agreed to meet with her. They are all saying exactly the same thing. Her claiming to have had constructive meetings is just an outright lie. All the other parties have told her they will only discuss brexit deal with her if she takes no deal of the table, reconsiders red lines and considers a PV.

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:15

hazard
not psychic ... I was typing her key phrases as I heard them
its a standard skill for my work so I used it there

IsobelKarev · 16/01/2019 22:15

Yeah, she's trying to blame Corbyn. But equally, based on the letters posted upthread, I'm not sure her discussions with the SNP could be described as "constructive" Hmm

Wtf did she not do the cross party talks BEFORE invoking A50, or at least before setting out her red lines. She repeatedly said "national interest", yet the whole fucking saga has been run (by Cameron and then May) as a party-saving exercise.

As a side note, does anyone know why the SNP and Lib Dem leaders were "right honourable" in the letter, but the other two weren't?

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