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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 21:54

@small
The RoI polls I've seen in 2018 showed a very large majority for reunification if NI voted for it

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MissMalice · 16/01/2019 21:55

James Felton
nothing screams EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL EVERYBODY than a late night unplanned emergency statement where you repeatedly have to tell everyone you everything is under control

BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 21:56

However, what imo would be more sensible is an NI poll on whether they would accept checks in the irish Sea instead of on the NI border

Opinion polls show a good majority for that - the DUP represents only the extreme Unionists, i.e. a minority of the NI voters, about 29% iirc.

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 21:57

Steven Swinford @steven_swinford
Hammond said the Boles amendment could provide the 'ultimate backstop' to stop a no-deal Brexit.

He told business leaders there is 'large majority' in Commons opposed to no deal 'under any circumstances'

Hammond indicated the Govt is open to talks over staying in Customs Union by saying it will not enter discussions 'waving flags with red lines on them'

He did not rule out the Govt backing the Boles amendment when pressed for assurances by head of Tesco

While Hammond and Clark talked about taking no-deal 'off the table', Stephen Barclay warned that doing so would 'weaken' Govt negotiating hand.

Approach left business leaders confused. Head of Tesco said there was an 'inconsistency' between their positions.

Business leaders had plenty to say.

Peter Mather, head of BP in UK asked whether prospect of a 2nd ref have increased

'I just wonder whether all of this added together has in any way increased the sympathy or the lack of antipathy towards the idea of a second referendum.'

The vote on Boles amendment on Monday is huge headache for Government.

I'm told pro-European Cabinet ministers will refuse to vote against it.

Leaves Govt either backing it, offering MPs free vote, allowing ministers to be away on other business or facing Cabinet revolt

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 21:58

Shout bingo every time May says 'deliver'.

Butterymuffin · 16/01/2019 21:59

She is starting to be weird as fuck.

Starting?

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 22:01

Nice that the Saints have come marching in for and beyond 10pm on BBC1.

As the Venerable Bede once said, “Unfurl the sails, and let God steer us where He will.”

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:01

So Saints playing crap is saving us from the Maybot
that IS a turn up for the books Grin

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:02

Laura K is on Beeb 2 ....

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:03

Maybot Bingo time

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 22:03

Blah blah blah 🙄

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 22:04
Angry
RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 22:04

Faisal Islam@faisalislam
Heard same - some ministers want a free vote on Boles/Letwin anti No Deal procedure...

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:04

"Get on with delivering Brexit"
"deliver on the British People's instruction"
"delivers on the referendum"
"self interest aside"

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 22:05

I'm sticking with the football. There's better sporting manners on the pitch.

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 22:05

Did she say anything other than the word 'deliver'.

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/01/2019 22:05

She's full-on swivel-eyed loon.

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 22:05

"respect that result"
"deliver on the referendum"
turns on heel and fucks off back to her battery charging station

UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 22:06

So much nothing Angry

Butterymuffin · 16/01/2019 22:06

Watching on Sky.

Same old same old. 'Public want us to get on with it' 'My duty to deliver'

Has 'Just held constructive meetings' with reps of all parties. Tomorrow will be more includingwith the DUP.

Disappointed that Corbyn hasn't shown up she says, door will always be open.

National interest first blah blah. That's it.

So basically that was just to have a pop at Corbyn.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 22:06

Well that was shit, total Maybot but really just satanic opportunity to dig at JC

Wonder what his colleagues make of it?

Calyx · 16/01/2019 22:07

Brexit. Is. Not. In. The. National. Interest.

Unless you're in Scotland and it's the catalyst for independence

Hazardswan · 16/01/2019 22:07

You lot type quick!

Well that statement was Hmm

GoldenSyrupLion · 16/01/2019 22:07

What the fuck was the point of that?

Butterymuffin · 16/01/2019 22:07

In her shoes I'd have got an early night with Netflix. But presumably she thought that was worth doing. 🤔

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