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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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borntobequiet · 16/01/2019 21:16

Well if I go to bed I expect I’ll miss the amazing spectacle of May saying “That’s enough, I’m fed up now, Revoke to the lot of you.”
So I’ll stay up even though it’s past my bedtime. I‘ll compose a sonnet to Jeremy Corbyn’s ceremonial anorak to help pass the time (or browse Baby Names).

Apileofballyhoo · 16/01/2019 21:17

We could play bingo I suppose.

Hazardswan · 16/01/2019 21:19

Do you think May will say..

Will of the people...

The people have voted....

Brexit means brexit....

My duty as leader of the conservatives and PM... (is to be mean to poor people and vulnerable people)

When I took this role..

A close relationship with the EU....

I listened to the people and what i heard was end FOM (and as a xenophobe I'm game for isolation)

Brexit means brexit

Tough negociations...

Sly dig at everyone but herself and Mr May

And brexit means brexit?

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 21:19

Tom Newton Dunn basically confirming it's a 'nothing has changed' speech. FFS

Holidayshopping · 16/01/2019 21:19

It is pointless for her to announce a speech at 10pm if that speech is going to be the same comments that have come out of her mouth for the last two years.

If nothing’s changed-it can just wait until tomorrow morning when she next opens her mouth.

PestymcPestFace · 16/01/2019 21:20

Are we are just days away from being the Democratic Peoples Republic of Great Britain?

MissMalice · 16/01/2019 21:20

You’ve got it covered Hazard. I go to bed instead of staying up late and regretting it when she just repeats the same old same old with an extra jab at those who wouldn’t talk unless she dropped her unworkable red lines. Yawn.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 21:20

Adds 'Delivers on the will of the people' @Hazardswan

derxa · 16/01/2019 21:21

I‘ll compose a sonnet to Jeremy Corbyn’s ceremonial anorak to help pass the time (or browse Baby Names). Grin
I'm thinking about all the bright civil servants that have to serve these MPs and ministers. What do they think of this shower. Not much I expect.

MissMalice · 16/01/2019 21:21

UnDemocratic Peoples Republic of Great Britain

borntobequiet · 16/01/2019 21:23

“This Government has been clear that”

Hazardswan · 16/01/2019 21:24

How could I forget deliver the will of the people?! MayBot classic Grin

Is she just talking to calm the pound/markets? She needs EU Tusk and co to speak she was making the pound drop last year everytime she spoke.

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 21:26

'Parliament gave the people Brexit, and it gave it to them long and hard'?

Loletta · 16/01/2019 21:26

For once I agree with Corbyn.
Refuse to talk unless suicide is off the table.
Perfectly reasonable IMO
For once he's taking a stance
I'm not sure if it'll pay off or not and it is a risk but no one has a crystal ball here.

MarshaBradyo · 16/01/2019 21:27

Yeh I don’t mind that he says that too Loletta

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 21:28

she was making the pound drop last year everytime she spoke

And someone made a lot of $$$$

Somerville · 16/01/2019 21:28

Good thanks Derxa. Well aside from all this shite. ‘Baby’ is now 16 months; his favourite word is “no” and he’s learned to break through baby gates. Hmm
How about you? No more health scares I trust? And when can we expect a lambing thread??

Hazardswan · 16/01/2019 21:29

Oh yes this Tory government has been clear, very clear. You could say clear means clear and she will deliver clarity that is clear to the will of the people. Labour want to frustrate the clear means clear message that the will of the people made clear. That would be a grave mistake and undemocratic because clarity means clear and clear means clarity and TM was asked to do this task. The task is strong clarity and stable clarity and let's be clear here anything else would be chaos.

IsobelKarev · 16/01/2019 21:30

Just watched the "Europe Reacts" segment on the BBC news channel and I quite like the sense that EU leaders are saying. And the EU parliament also seems far more grown up - I wouldn't tolerate the HoC braying nonsense from my year 7!

So current politicians I can tolerate:
EU politicians (inc Macron, Merkel and Varadkar)
SNP politicians (but not Alex Salmond)
Frank Field
Sadiq Khan

Literally nobody on the government or opposition front benches. And I can't think of any of their back benchers either.

I may have to give up on politics for the evening and watch some Star Trek instead.

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 21:31

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
At ease, folks. I am told the PM's 10pm statement on No10's steps is just a message of reassurance. She's in charge, and still delivering Brexit. Just in case you were in any doubt.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 21:32

I suppose the issue is that you can't really take no dal off the table. To take it off the table you have to put something in its place, otherwise as the default position if nobody can agree then it will always be there!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 21:32

I was going to get an early night.

Shambu · 16/01/2019 21:32

^For once I agree with Corbyn.
Refuse to talk unless suicide is off the table.
Perfectly reasonable IMO^

Agreed.

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 21:33

James Plumb @jamesrplumb
Source tells me that it is possible, Theresa May could shift towards a form of customs union with the EU, similar to their arrangement with Turkey. This would allow the UK to sign its own FTAs but remain subject to common external tariffs set by the EU.

Holidayshopping · 16/01/2019 21:33

At ease, folks. I am told the PM's 10pm statement on No10's steps is just a message of reassurance. She's in charge, and still delivering Brexit. Just in case you were in any doubt.

I really don’t see the point then.

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