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The deal has been rejected by Parliament

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MongerTruffle · 15/01/2019 19:42

What will happen now?

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Quartz2208 · 16/01/2019 08:15

how is Crime linked to the EU?

Most people should be able to agree that this country has issues, lots and lots of issues that need addressing.

The difference of course is how much leaving the EU will actually help them. For me its a balancing exercise - leaving is not going to solve more issues then it could cause and just leaves us worse off.

What it does do is stop the issues which Westminister have the power to solve being looked at. So much time and energy has been/is wasted on this rather than trying to look at the issues and how to solve them

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Wotev · 16/01/2019 08:17

Ok.........

A Hungarian guy raped me
A Somalian raped me
A Romanian robbed me
A Lithuanian tried to stab me
A Polish guy assaulted me
A Nigerian guy robbed me

So I'm sorry, but immigration isn't working in my personal favour.

FinallyHere · 16/01/2019 08:17

*no objection to immigration ...

objection is the free for all that currently exists. *

The serious problem we have is that this is absolutely an issue with uk government policy. It may be informed by EU legislation but other EU countries keep close track of EU immigrants , they get three months to find and job and then they are out. Benefits mostly job related.

Our government doesn't even keep track of the immigrants coming into the country never mind where they live etc. This makes it impossible to plan for services etc even were they prepared to fund schools , health and housing.

How many new council houses have been built since the right to buy ?

Seems to be the government prefers to make tax cuts to boosting services and then conveniently blames the lack of provision on 'others' from the EU.

How is that going to be better outside the EU? It will still be the austerity government with even less pressure to put decent living standards above tax cuts for the rich.

We will end up non in-line a banana republic, a haven for tax dodgers and some low cost tourist attractions.

Frouby · 16/01/2019 08:19

There is a shortage of skilled construction workers happening already. Plenty of labour around, but the skillset isn't there. That's a UK problem, not enough investment and training in the sector, not enough young people moving into the trades, not enough protection for small businesses or sole traders, too much corruption to make the construction industry appealing. I have a dd and a ds, ai won't be encouraging either to go down the same route as DH.

The influx of eastern European labour did temporarily solve the issue. The problem is they don't always have the skillset either. But they do have the manpower. They chuck shit work up, then move on. Then blokes like my dh get offered shit money to put the shit work right and don't get a fair crack at tendering for the new work as the ee gangers do it at half the rates.

Lots of the ee gangs around here are run by UK gangmasters as well. Treated appallingly and paid shit money, less their digs to live a hovel with another 15 blokes.

It's a deeper issue than 'the Romanians are taking all the contstuction work'. The whole industry is bent so far out of shape that even staying in the EU won't solve it.

And not all constuction workers are sun reading, beer drinking, catcalling bigots. Quite possibly not even most.

Wotev · 16/01/2019 08:22

You seem to think that the EU is the only thing keeping us in line @FinallyHere. You forget the fact that people, the electorate, vote on who they want in government.

TheNavigator · 16/01/2019 08:22

The Chinese are rubbing their hands at Brexit, when the pounds slumps and property values fall they will buy us out. And they work to long time horizons so accept it may be decades before they get returns as it will take us that long to recover from no deal.

We live in a global economy, you cannot close the door and turn the clock back to the 1950s. Membership of the EU gives us strength among global super powers like China and Russia, to lose that is madness - national self harm on a huge scale.

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BertrandRussell · 16/01/2019 08:37

A Spanish guy saved my eye
A Polish woman helped my son get a 9 in his Engliah GCSE (yes, really)
Another Polish woman looked after my elderly mother in her care home with the tenderness she would have afforded her own mother.
A Romanian (I think) man picks up litter in our local park every weekend.

The man who assaulted my dd was Welsh. The people who burgled us were English.

Anecdote is not data.

StealthPolarBear · 16/01/2019 08:39

Really wotev? That's awful, sorry you've been through all that

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Eatmycheese · 16/01/2019 08:43

the disparity of motives behind the no vote means Corbyn’s no confidence vote is doomed.
Corbyn is a sphinx without a riddle it seems to me, and it is massively frustrating.
May will just keep trying to bulldoze on. She has her internal stay of execution for twelve months. The next few days are again more dependent upon the machinations of some ghastly Conservative egomaniacs and backstabbers it seems to me. Oh and the backstop.

I never imagined I would hate any phrase or term more than Brexit. I was wrong. Backstop has trumped it.

Wotev · 16/01/2019 08:43

You're not negating everything I say by giving your own made up stories. I am literally talking only from my own perspective. I said earlier that I don't speak for every Leaver. Likewise, I'm not going to take on the Leave debate. These are my personal (very personal) experiences that led me to vote Leave. And I haven't changed my mind. I really just wish they'd sort it to fuck out.

Eatmycheese · 16/01/2019 08:47

@wotev and that is why so many remain supporters have an issue with the referendum outcome. Do you think SWAT teams are going to start combing our streets removing all these people? And what about all the immigrants that come from other countries?
Cameron allowed the groundswell of anti immigration to be a vehicle for leaving a trade organisation first and foremost.

MysweetAudrina · 16/01/2019 08:48

I'm an Irish Civil Servant and we are really stepping up the no deal preparations here. Not that any of us really have a clue what that will actually mean in reality but still it's the top priority across Government Departments.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 16/01/2019 08:51

And I haven't changed my mind. I really just wish they'd sort it to fuck out.

How? How do ‘they’ do it? What do you want them to do?

Like or hate Theresa May he has been negotiating and this is what she got. How do you think we get a better deal?

Moussemoose · 16/01/2019 08:52

Wotev

"As my MIL says, they couldn't lie straight in the bed"

Can I assume that neither you nor your MIL are racist in anyway.

Eatmycheese · 16/01/2019 08:53

I can see why many people who wanted to Leave might not care about leaving with no deal.
But I’m not sure how long they would have the courage of their convictions; especially if the searches of economists’ and influential figures’ projections are to be realised.

There is much talk of pacifying the Leave “vote” which won by a slim margin. I wonder, though, how much consideration is being given to Remain supporters who are now furious that we are looking at a No Deal scenario?

There seems to me a fear of displeasing a slight majority but that nobody gives a flying fuck about shitting all over Remain supporters with a No Deal.

Wotev · 16/01/2019 08:53

I don't know anything about the deal to be honest. I don't know what the sticking points are. I'm not involved in the negotiations. But I really just wish they'd sort out what they're doing. They've had 2 years. I strongly dislike TM.

time4chocolate · 16/01/2019 08:54

Anecdote is not data

No it’s not, however, if I was Wotev and been in her situation I would look at my personal experiences versus a 50 page document on the merits of FOM and say bollocks to that, it’s not worked out too well for me and would definitely vote accordingly. Lived experiences count as much, if not more so than data & facts.

Eatmycheese · 16/01/2019 08:54

*swathes not searches

Wotev · 16/01/2019 08:58

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Wotev · 16/01/2019 09:00

@timeforchocolate Thank you for saying that. That's exactly how I voted. Based on personal experiences.

KennDodd · 16/01/2019 09:03

@Wotev

I'm sorry for the level of crime you've been victim to. I'm 50 and over my life have been victim for a similar level and number of crimes. All perpetrators were English, incidentally, they were also all also black. I bear absolutely no ill will to anybody within the black communities. Black people ARE NOT to blame for what happened to me, the individuals involved are to blame, nobody else.

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