The deal has been rejected by Parliament

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What will happen now?

I blame Ed Miliband! If he hadn’t challenged his brother David - who I believe would of been a better leader- then it may have resulted in a different outcome for the country as a whole.

Bit of a cleft stick there Pootle. I'm not sure you can claim both those statements in a single post as they contradict one another directly.

I totally agree with your line of thinking xebob

The Labour heartlands voted Leave, stop blaming Labour for this shit show

Well, if the Labour heartlands voted Leave then surely it's their shit show too?

Not that it gets the Conservatives off the hook.

Any disaster is a cumulative disaster - the blame does not rest with one person. Cameron could have not called the referendum, parliament could have not invoked A50 so quickly, May could have formed a cross party working group at the beginning, or just listened to the people who work for her, empowered them instead of just railroading her way through. Corbyn could have presented alternatives at the last GE or just generally come off the fence. For that matter, every one of us could have tried to engage our fellow voters better in the lead up to voting, dispel the myths.

We are where we are. I'm still optimistic that good some good will come of it.

I blame Ed Miliband! If he hadn’t challenged his brother David - who I believe would of been a better leader- then it may have resulted in a different outcome for the country as a whole.

I agree, I've thought this for a while. It's the logical back-step from "I wish Ed had won in 2015".

Of course the real fault lies with Cameron, who promised the Ref to settle his own party for the GE2015, thinking he would win it easily.

Wierdly - poor areas of Wales voted Brexit despite huge EU grants and funding. The voted 'anti establishment' and believed the daily mail. So in your opinion working class Welsh people are stupid Daily Mail readers? People in Wales voted to leave for the same reason people in other parts of the UK voted to leave, because they were rightly sceptical about EU policies. Freedom of Movement has driven down wages in their communities and they are not impressed by grandiose vanity projects with blue EU flags on. There's a good analysis here:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/south-wales-valleys-brexit-vote-leave-a8021051.html

Sadiq Khan also saying take it back to the people, as what we have is not what people voted for in 2016, we were fed a lot of bullshit on the land of milk and honey, I'm no fan of his, but I agree with him and sturgeon, someone else who I don't like, that it needs to be delayed as we cannot agree this and have it passed into law in seventy odd days.

And is Boris Johnson ill? He looks awful.

I don't blame Cameron personally, he didn't campaign for people to vote leave. Quite the opposite.

I don't blame Corbyn. I can't say I've got much confidence in the way our government is running either. But I think a general election would right now would be a disaster.

I don't even blame May, despite not really liking her and thinking she needs to look at the big picture and how people are reacting rather than keeping her tunnel vision and smugness. I don't envy her her job. I wouldn't have taken it!

I do blame Boris Johnson and Nigel Farrage for whipping up a frenzy then running away when they should've stepped up if they really believed what they were talking about.

But whatever the heck happens now I'm scared for our future. Britain is a great mess.

YeahCorvid

The referendum wasn't party binding for starters.

Corbyn refused to campaign with prominent remainers.

He actually buggered off on holiday part the way through campaigning.

He called for triggering article 50 on the day of the referendum result.

Labour constantly contradict themselves on their position and what they want, whilst changing their policy.

Corbyn is now going to waste an afternoon debating a no confidence vote that he knows he won't win.

There was very little difference in their manifesto on Brexit to Tories.

In France, Macron says he thinks that the UK will try to negotiate; then probably ask for more time.
Jean Claude Juncker; Européen Commission are preparing for a no deal Brexit.

From a practical point of view, expats like me in France will technically become illegal immigrants. We have the right for « carte de séjour» but thé French administration system; slow and onerous at the best of time is practically gridlocked.
We need to exchange driving licences, get resident cards but th3 system ( in France) is overwhelmed and gridlocked.
There are millions of Britons living permanently in Europe with children born here who are going to have no legal status.

What's the point of playing rhe blame game? We are where we are. The question now is what the fuck are they going to do to get us out of the shit.

Blame is with every remainer who voted tory in 2015, we all knew he had that referendum in the manifesto, with a strong promise to enact it plus we'd already had 5 years of austerity.. what were you thinking!!!

Miliband would have then gone into Gov with the Libdems and none of this would have happened.

And is Boris Johnson ill? He looks awful.
He's moved in with his new much younger girlfriend and is just utterly knackered with all the action. Lost a bit of weight too I noticed.

What would the question be on another Ref?
And if leave wins again, what happens then?

I really can't see another Ref happening.
I think no deal will happen, more by accident than design.

And is Boris Johnson ill? He looks awful.

I just posted he looked fit and slim! I remember him looking hugely overweight, red-faced and generally blobby during the EU Ref. I think he looks much better now. Huge weight loss. And better hair.

*I thought it was his brother at first!

What would the question be on another Ref?

Khan suggested this deal or stay, they can't give the people the option of no deal due to how catastrophic it would be.

I thought Boris looked really ill...🤒

If the no confidence vote is lost then parliament proves its self to be completely incompetent. No one can possibly have confidence in tho
is Government.

May will win the no confidence vote and her aide has confirmed she's not resigning. The no confidence motion is irrelevant.

He's a completely arrogant idiot. He called the vote at the wrong time

Which lets not forget parliament agreed with.

I don't actually understand how after 2.5 years of a vote that we still haven't (to my knowledge) negotiated 1 single fucking trade deal when the vote to leave was announced. 2.5 fucking years.

And the referendum wasn't do you want to leave, a deal or stay. It was leave or stay. So if they are so determined to stick by the results it should have been leave vote in, trigger A50, start negotiating for trade deals, see what you get THEN go back to the EU and say 'we have this deal, that deal, the other deal, what can you offer us?'.

Bit like men do when they have an affair and make both sides do a 'pick me' dance.

Why we didn't do that is a complete shitshow that only the Tory party can be held responsible for. If we had the deals we would be in a much better position right now. If TM didn't have the stomach for it she shouldn't have taken the job. DC shouldn't have been allowed to fuck off. And the like of Bojo and JRM should have been forced to sort their mess out as well.

In any industry a fuck up like this would have had the directors in deep shit and been held criminally responsible for the amount of money they have spunked up the wall by fucking about.

And I voted leave.

The problem now with a 2nd referendum is that people are that pissed off they will vote for a hard exit just to put an end to it.

Let's not forget that Labour were also in favour of holding a Referendum.