The deal has been rejected by Parliament

[MongerTruffle]

What will happen now?

I didn't vote leave, I voted remain. Reluctantly.

I don't blame Cameron personally, he didn't campaign for people to vote leave. Quite the opposite.

I do. It was a game of chicken played with his old eton chum(p) to appease the semi geriatric swivel eyes in his party. And it failed.

The problem now with a 2nd referendum is that people are that pissed off they will vote for a hard exit just to put an end to it

We will never be given the option of voting for no deal. Parliament doesn't want it, the eu doesn't want it, and it's catastrophic for us, and not just for the nhs, it's catastrophic for all of us. They won't give us the option of no deal because too many people don't understand it and may vote for it,

we still haven't (to my knowledge) negotiated 1 single fucking trade deal when the vote to leave was announced.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think we're allowed to while we're still in the EU.

Either way, it pisses me off so much. We are in the best trade deal in the world already - WTF are we leaving? Goddammit it's just so so stupid.

to appease the semi geriatric swivel eyes in his party

Nice

I blame all of them they are so far
out of touch with the people because they are stuck up their own asses and focused on their own agendas!!! Its an absolute joke seeing them all smug and laughing earlier following the results.

I've always thought Brexit was a political impossibility. I don't think it can happen for many reasons, in our system of parliamentary democracy.

Unless we crash out because no further action is taken but there is not much support for that scenario.

I don't see this playing out any differently with a different leader, or even different government.

SillySallySingsSongs
That's what I said. JC probably would have given her the 3 days before he did it.

It's all a bit horse stable. She's had 2 years to talk to the other parties. They have tried and she's ignored them.

^to appease the semi geriatric swivel eyes in his party

Nice hmm^

True, though.

but thé French administration system; slow and onerous at the best of time is practically gridlocked.

Curly why is the French administration system gridlocked? Because so many people from UK are trying to get citizenship?

For Brexit debates I'd like the HoC to be divided into Pro-Brexit on the left and Pro-Remain on the right, actually physically divided. It's so important to keep party politics out of this and MPs don't seem to be able to stop the silly posturing along party lines. This might help.

So far, I'm disgusted by the behaviour of our representatives. I really want party out of it.

Curly why is the French administration system gridlocked? Because so many people from UK are trying to get citizenship?

Yes. Well in the first instance, those who have been here for less than 5 years need to get a residency card.
To get citizenship, there are many more hoops to jump through. 5 years + residency and language proficiency for starters. ( you’d be amazed how many retired brits here can’t speak a word of french).

To even start the process, you need to make an appointment online, and these are just unavailable. It will be utter chaos.

@Bluntness100 I really hope you are right

Thank you for answering my question Curly.

My sister works for a very big retailer in the UK and they have been having briefings on what will happen if the UK crash out with a no deal Brexit.
Things like imports, on a very basic lèvel, nothing has been set up, eg paperwork for lorries to cross the channel with goods. Hence the risk of shortages. Apparently what Theresea May had negotiated was reasonable. ( I don’t know the details of it).

@Frouby

We have tried to do preliminary trade talks with various nations and got nothing, just vague promises. indeed several countries will wring us over WTO before agreeing anything else.

Its a complete myth there is this wonderful free trade world out there, China, USA neither believe in free trade and we lose 70 FTA's we enjoy via EU membership.
The USA wouldn't even allow the word "free" in the deal name the EU tried negotiating, so they came up with TTIP Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, under Trump, UK can forget it.

AmmoniteMum
The fall in the pound has cost this country more than all the EU contributions of the last 40 years.

Is that really true?

but thé French administration system; slow and onerous at the best of time is practically gridlocked.

This is not really true: many things in France are done locally, including residency cards, so it depends where you live. Where I live (rural département in the south west) getting an appointment for residency cards is apparently still very straightforward.

For citizenship I can easily believe there will be a backlog, but nevertheless there will be local variations. One friend has just applied (this month) and has already got her interview in May (this is in Toulouse).

My children's nationality applications - via a different procedure - were processed by the local court in under a week.

It would take 5-6 months to table another referendum in that time the campaign machines would be on full power. Tonight we may see a a solid remain vote six months from now who knows. The country will have lost business in that time

Why would it take 5-6 months?

@mistigri

Most people on the forums were taking a year and a half to get through the carte de séjour process and about 9 months to exchange your driving licence.

It may be much quicker if you have a French spouse / parent, but most of the processes are being computerised so you can’t just rock up to your local prefecture with your folder of documents.