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The deal has been rejected by Parliament

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MongerTruffle · 15/01/2019 19:42

What will happen now?

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Millionsofthings · 15/01/2019 21:33

Another vote here for the I blame David Cameron !!!

It’s been 2 years of mess and we are ok the last days and it’s chaos!!

Who suffers? Mainly it will be the average family that will suffer the JAM at TM puts it!!

Well done to David and the Toys!!!

Millionsofthings · 15/01/2019 21:33

*We are on the last days

mousehole · 15/01/2019 21:33

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jasjas1973 · 15/01/2019 21:35

@XingMing

Have you ever done it?
I have, i went to college studying what i thought would get me work locally but it didn't, i simply had no experience!
i applied for work further afield and got a job with BT in Reading, 240 miles away.... i missed home sooooo much, i knew no-one, it was a fugging nightmare but i stuck at it.
Best think i ever did, i ve a good career and worked all over the world.

BUT i understand its difficulties, that is all i am saying, my Mum gave me the strength not to give up, not everyone has a mum or dad who give a shit.

XingMing · 15/01/2019 21:37

I'd love to see a field of unicorns grazing peacefully. In reality, I fear we'd see the bucks fighting for females like stags during a ruck.

I voted, in 1975 for a free trade zone, not for a convergent state run by unelected bureaucrats. I would be happy with that.

The80sweregreat · 15/01/2019 21:38

The DUP will vote for May.
This vote of no confidence is as dead in the water as this vote today. May will carry on.

MyTeaMouse · 15/01/2019 21:39

It's the front page of the New York Times for whomever asked how it was being covered in foreign news outlets.

The deal has been rejected by Parliament
mousehole · 15/01/2019 21:42

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Leafyhouse · 15/01/2019 21:42

@mousehole A good result would be something that's based on facts. Not pontification, or party allegiances, or selfish interest. In that sort of atmosphere, clowns like Boris Johnson become utterly ineffectual.

My preference (and it is only a preference) is for Remain, but I can see the other side's arguments. I'm the only person I know that's attended both a Remain protest march (and appeared on a short video in support of a People's vote), and joined a 'Leavers of London' Brexit supporters evening. I just want the debate to be based on facts, not rivalry.

Tinkety · 15/01/2019 21:43

I hope David Cameron is proud of himself. This is all his fault.

David Cameron has a LOT to answer for.

Why do people keep saying things like this? I’m genuinely puzzled.

  1. Cameron promised a referendum in his election manifesto
  1. Cameron wins the election based on said manifesto
  1. Cameron holds referendum as per manifesto but campaigns to remain
  1. Leave wins & Cameron resigns

What has he done wrong exactly? Considering most policians lie through their teeth is his crime actually telling the truth & doing what he promised he would do if he was elected?

The people voted him into government knowing there would be a referendum & the people voted to leave. What am I missing?

XingMing · 15/01/2019 21:43

@jasjas, yes, I did it in the 1970s. I eventually went to London to work, and then to the US, and came back to London and then to my county of origin, but I brought the work back with me.

YeahCorvid · 15/01/2019 21:44

Why does anyone think this disastrous shit show is Corbyn's fault, or Labour's in any way?

  • Cameron called the referendum, which was unclear and badly structured so no one knew what they were voting for
  • Eejits like Johnson and Rees Mogg talked up the result as being for a far harder Brexit than was ever mentioned in the campaign
  • Tories are divided hopelessly, some passionately pro hard Brexit and others feeling all Brexits are a terrible idea
  • May attempts to negotiate something that can please everyone, which is impossible, especially as somehow until it became real everyone forgot about Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement
  • May cannot produce a solution that can be voted for by enough people and her proposed solution is historically loathed by everyone
  • So her deal is defeated and no one has a clue what alternative solution can satisfy enough people in time, if any

SO
Which part of this is Corbyn's fault?

asdfghjk111 · 15/01/2019 21:44

people werent informed about the eu. the campaigns on both sides were shockingly bad. we're so fucked if we dont remain (at least in the customs union and single market)

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Lonelycrab · 15/01/2019 21:44

Mousehole talks a lot of sense.

And we can’t “just extend” article 50 so I don’t know why people are suggesting that will happen.

The rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief imo. What a fuckup of epic proportions. Cheers, Dave.

Wasn’t Jesus supposed to come back about now?Hmm

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Namechangeragain01 · 15/01/2019 21:45

Tinkety

I agree. He did what he promised. I never ever thought that we'd get a Referendum on EU membership so I was surprised that it happened.

asdfghjk111 · 15/01/2019 21:46

by no means is it mainly corbyns fault but he didn't campaign for remain as many of labour constituents would have liked and his lack of action to do with brexit is irritating to say the least. but the tories are certainly more and mostly to blame

jasjas1973 · 15/01/2019 21:48

mousehole

Folk who spout glib get on ya bike solutions, don't have a clue what they are talking about, agree on how communities break up.
My Mum had no money but gave such support, i owe her everything.

For me EU money is the topping, it shouldn't be used in place of a proper industrial policy and regional support, which all too often, thats exactly what UK has done.

pootleposeyperkin · 15/01/2019 21:48

The Labour heartlands voted Leave, stop blaming Labour for this shit show. This is all the Tory's doing.

pootleposeyperkin · 15/01/2019 21:49

And Cameron is currently sunning himself in the Caribbean without a care in the world

EarringsandLipstick · 15/01/2019 21:50

mouse that’s very well put. I agree.

SillySallySingsSongs · 15/01/2019 21:51

The Labour heartlands voted Leave, stop blaming Labour for this shit show. This is all the Tory's doing.

So what is Labours plan? They are HM official opposition what do they want? He wants a snap GE with no better strategy than Mays!

It isn't just the Tories fault no matter how much you want it to be.

xebobfromUS · 15/01/2019 21:51

Bigday

Most people here in the U.S. are at best vaguely aware of it. The majority are more concerned about the government shutdown and the Mueller investigation plus the recent elections.

I don't think most people who voted for Trump really care about the Wall being built either way ( it is already partially finished in places ).
They do care about the shutdown, the impasse between Democrats and Republicans over what is a trivial amount in terms of the total federal budget and its impact on people and it increasingly becoming a threat to national security.

It's one thing to project and theorize about the UK leaving the EU when it is a long way off, it's another when you see a no-deal exit becoming a reality.

I am reminded of the people of Phnom Penh who welcomed with joy the Khmer Rouge because they were tired of what they perceived as a corrupt government filled with corrupt generals and they thought the Khmer Rouge would be a welcomed change. Boy were they in for a surprise!

There are certain parallels between the hardest brexiteers and the policies of the Khmer Rouge government. These include a belief in absolute self-sufficiency, even in the supply of medicine and a racist emphasis on national purity, a focus on perceived common sense over technical knowledge ( the ignoring and ridiculing of industry leaders who warn of great danger and difficulties in a no-deal brexit ).

Radical change does not always result in something better than what you currently have.

ToeToToe · 15/01/2019 21:51

How come Boris is looking so fit and fresh-faced? Is it the new woman??

I hate Boris too. That's probably who we'll get if May goes? Boris or Corbyn. What a choice.

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