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Westminstenders: What The Hell Happens Next?!

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2019 14:14

John Bercow has just spent over at an hour dealing with a Points of Order, in which he has argued that he is defending the soverignty of the House of Commons and that is his duty, not to simply to be a cheerleader for the executive.

Taking back control seems to have rather upset ERG Brexiteers.

As Jess Phillips astutely pointed out:
"People only care about procedures, and protecting and conserving the procedures, when they don't like the outcome of the thing that is about to happen and never when it is going in their favour."

And given what we have seen the Executive do over the last few months in terms of trying to use procedure for its own political gain, this is quite a fair point.

There are however certain constitutional questions this is all raising. And we have a very real constitutional crisis here.

Bercow has ruled that he CAN allow an amendment (because the previous vote had prevented only a motion and a debate) put forward by Grieve to go to a vote.

This amendment would - if it is passed by the house - require May to report to the house within 3 days if the WA fails to pass next week.

This would be a significant victory, if it passed because at present the position is where May can delay reporting back to the house until it start to get to the point where politically the opposition can't influence things, and a 'meaningful vote' will in practice be more like a gun to the head by the Executive, rather than the House of Commons acting in a sovereign manner and being free to make its own decisions rather than be forced into a corner by Parliamentary Procedure and the politicking of Parliamentary Procedure to undermine the independence of the HoC.

Allowing more time for the opposition to hold the government to account, does not necessarily change anything. It just means the executive can not just run down the clock in the way it perhaps has been intending.

The HoC could of course, vote against the amendment.

The WA is to come to the HoC next week.

And we have no idea what the hell is going to happen next.

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nicoala1 · 12/01/2019 19:17

Is Clarkson the only Remainer that might have an influence now. omg.

But the question is, does he want to put his head above the parapet. Hasn't really happened yet.

And only HIM too!

But that is better than sitting back and getting our heads chopped off I suppose.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 12/01/2019 19:46

How about Jeremy Kyle? I think peoplewpuld listen to him. Christ Evans too perhaps, I did wonder if that's why he headed for Virgin and less strict regulations on what he was allowed to say.

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 19:52

Unfortunately this is leading me to think that for the benefit of Europe that the UK should leave.
There are a lot of global changes afoot and the EU needs to be strong. What it can't afford is a lame duck sucking more from the industries of Europe and a continual barrage of bickering and the distinct possibility of something approaching civil war in the UK if it stays in.
There simply aren't enough solid 'Pro European' MPs to kick the necessary ass. It is not sufficient to get 55/45 in any form of vote/referendum, it needs to be near 70/30 at least, something that most other EU countries can manage.
As I said earlier, the GJ in France (the originals, not the thugs) are wanting Macron to do 'the right thing' and sort out inequality although some are calling for his removal, they don't really want Le Pen. They are wanting things that are achievable (mostly) with careful handling. Whether Mr Macron can pull it off is yet to be seen.
France, Germany, Holland and a couple of others have to be strong. A Pro Europe UK would be ideal but 'it ain't happening'.
The collapse of the EU would be way beyond the shittiest of shit for all of Europe AND the UK, whether in or out.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 12/01/2019 20:02

Jeremy Clarkson has been very pro-Remain and I do wonder if it would be worth getting him to front a campaign as at least he would reach the parts the usual suspects can't

I can see Clarkson being quite good, maybe James May too (I’ll bet he’s a remainer).

How about Jeremy Kyle? I think peoplewpuld listen to him. Christ Evans too perhaps

Grin at Christ Evans. Although we might need divine intervention to get us out of this mess.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 12/01/2019 20:03

How about Graham Norton? Delia Smith is very pro EU - she would appeal to the grey vote.
Or the actress that plays Mrs Doyle?

nicoala1 · 12/01/2019 20:09

Not too many pro EU people who have "influence" coming out there.

We are fkd.

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 20:19

Most of the 'celebrity' names are too much like Marmite though. They divide opinion.
It needs someone with gravitas, intelligence and knowledge of the workings of the UK (interactions between the England, Scotland NI and Wales). Someone who thinks before opening their mouth.

megletthesecond · 12/01/2019 20:21

Me and 10yr old DD went through everything on Sainsburys shelves this morning to see where it's imported from. I did know most of it (allotment and researched remainer) and we are so stuffed if there's a problem getting that food into the UK. Brought it home a bit. Even broccoli is from Spain this time of year.

Hazardswan · 12/01/2019 20:21

Just imagining a line up of Clarkson, James May, Norton, Delia, Kyle, Evans and Danny Dyer (he's remain now isnt he?).

Grin

A lot of ground covered there!

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 20:26

Nigella Lawson, but that is probably only me. Probably die of a heart attack sooner rather than later.

nicoala1 · 12/01/2019 20:37

It must be the social media generation.

Anyway, I am very disappointed that there is not any BIG voice from media or wherever saying anything really about staying in the EU. WE are fkd.

How did that happen? I am guessing that the BIG voices don't care because Brexit will not impact them at all.

And those who advocate Brexit are pandering to an audience that think everything will be sorted by Brexit.

UK is a joke now. Sorry folks but it really is.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 12/01/2019 20:39

I actually thing Danny Dyer would be quite good Blush

Hazardswan · 12/01/2019 20:43

Dyer has something as he was pro leave and now he's pissed off because he knows he was mugged off. Someone tweet him and tell him his country needs him!

PCPlumsTruncheon · 12/01/2019 21:45

Stephen Fry is very pro Remain and made a really good video about it. He would probably be seen as part of ‘The Elite’ though.
Timmy Mallet? Desperate times call for desperate measures.

frumpety · 12/01/2019 21:45

Her Majesty ? Grin

Ta1kinPeace · 12/01/2019 21:49

William and Catherine would - but they are not allowed to.

RedToothBrush · 12/01/2019 21:55

Clarkson, James May, Norton, Delia, Kyle, Evans and Danny Dyer

A line up of liberal elites who all work for the middle class liberal elite entity the BBC and are paid to do what the BBC want.

Yes that would work... Hmm

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1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 21:59

I wouldn't mind Clarkson's salary to talk out of my backside. He can be quite funny in a schoolboy way.

HesterThrale · 12/01/2019 22:02

J K Rowling and Gary Lineker would be quite good. Although Lineker is employed by the BBC so probably can't be too outspoken.

Hazardswan · 12/01/2019 22:08

Doesn't matter if they are literally elite...farage garage is and yet he has ' the common touch'

JK is good for the MC audiences.

Need a vicar.... Dawn French would appeal to me but i think others may prefer an actual vicar.

Hazardswan · 12/01/2019 22:09

Like? I meant puke emoji!

Hazardswan · 12/01/2019 22:10

Ooo Tom Jones? Which way is his brexit bread buttered?

nicoala1 · 12/01/2019 22:13

Yep, as I said, the voices of those who wish to remain are silent. Because they don't care about the impact on themselves.

Same could be said for high profile Brexiteers, I suppose.

Meanwhile those who will be affected have absolutely no voice now.

We are truly fkd.

Ta1kinPeace · 12/01/2019 22:17

The Remain Campaign should be led by

  • non Londoners
  • non luvvies
  • non MPs
  • no aristos
  • non meejah types
  • folks who have all the facts at their fingertips
  • two people from opposing parties to cover that base
I bring you the two Andys Andy Burnham and Andrew Street
  • both pro remain
  • both proven operators
  • both "clean" of Wesmtinster
  • both good public speakers
REMAIN headliners = Andy Burnham & Andrew Street
bellinisurge · 12/01/2019 22:20

I can't bear Bandwagon Burnham but I'd hold my nose for this. It's exactly the kind of bandwagon he'd jump on so you'd get enthusiasm with his trademark doe eyed empathy.

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