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Westminstenders: What The Hell Happens Next?!

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2019 14:14

John Bercow has just spent over at an hour dealing with a Points of Order, in which he has argued that he is defending the soverignty of the House of Commons and that is his duty, not to simply to be a cheerleader for the executive.

Taking back control seems to have rather upset ERG Brexiteers.

As Jess Phillips astutely pointed out:
"People only care about procedures, and protecting and conserving the procedures, when they don't like the outcome of the thing that is about to happen and never when it is going in their favour."

And given what we have seen the Executive do over the last few months in terms of trying to use procedure for its own political gain, this is quite a fair point.

There are however certain constitutional questions this is all raising. And we have a very real constitutional crisis here.

Bercow has ruled that he CAN allow an amendment (because the previous vote had prevented only a motion and a debate) put forward by Grieve to go to a vote.

This amendment would - if it is passed by the house - require May to report to the house within 3 days if the WA fails to pass next week.

This would be a significant victory, if it passed because at present the position is where May can delay reporting back to the house until it start to get to the point where politically the opposition can't influence things, and a 'meaningful vote' will in practice be more like a gun to the head by the Executive, rather than the House of Commons acting in a sovereign manner and being free to make its own decisions rather than be forced into a corner by Parliamentary Procedure and the politicking of Parliamentary Procedure to undermine the independence of the HoC.

Allowing more time for the opposition to hold the government to account, does not necessarily change anything. It just means the executive can not just run down the clock in the way it perhaps has been intending.

The HoC could of course, vote against the amendment.

The WA is to come to the HoC next week.

And we have no idea what the hell is going to happen next.

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DGRossetti · 12/01/2019 13:22

I'm pretty sure that EU employment law is different enough from US that the UK is safe from that sort of thing after Brexit though ......

That was rather my point ... once these luverly powers kick in, could people be compelled to work ? Obviously the army are under orders, and the police can't strike. I'm thinking more (for example) of NHS workers who aren't being paid for whatever reason. Or people working dockside machinery whose companies have gone bust ?

Just a thought ...

Ta1kinPeace · 12/01/2019 13:24

Any other Private Eye readers on here .....
have you read the JC column in it?
CLASSIC
He becomes the pro Brexit tory leader
and TM becomes the pro Remain labour leader Grin

DGRossetti · 12/01/2019 13:27

Seen elsewhere ...

Westminstenders: What The Hell Happens Next?!
bellinisurge · 12/01/2019 13:33

I hope that person's editor (if they actually have one) has a better grasp of English grammar, spelling and punctuation.

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 13:52

{I hope that person's editor (if they actually have one) has a better grasp of English grammar, spelling and punctuation.}
The trouble is if you use spellchecker it would come out with a 3 words:
Brexit is great.

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 13:55

Trolls inc.

Moussemoose · 12/01/2019 13:58

EU employment law vs US employment law.

In the U.S federal employees are not allowed to strike. They can however be locked out of their workplace unpaid as a result of a government shutdown.

I'm looking forward to those laws.

borntobequiet · 12/01/2019 14:11

I like the Our Kingdom - United and European.
Has a bit of a King James Bible ring to it. (A good thing?)

BigChocFrenzy · 12/01/2019 14:13

Pretzels The new Remain campaign is welcome to my slogan:

Britain: we're even greater IN

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 14:14

Media City is in Salford, a city in it's own right.

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 14:16

'EU're buggered with out us'. On an EU flag background?
*Other mild expletives are available.

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 14:18

Maybe not as a main slogan but i thought also of
Tune In, don't Cop Out
(Seeing as the leave vote has much more to do with domestic discontent, tune in to what communities need...)

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 14:21

There were some good ones on the news coverage of the 'remain' march a while back and other since.

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 14:21

I'd also see a blue bus with 'Let's keep our jobs instead' in yellow

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 14:26

{A man in his 30s has been arrested on suspicion of a public order offence following an alleged incident involving a Remain-supporting MP.
Sky News understands the man in police custody is James Goddard.
The Metropolitan Police has confirmed the man was arrested on suspicion of offences that allegedly took place on Monday 7 January.
In a statement, the force said he was arrested at 11.42am on Saturday morning outside St James's Park Tube station.}
This might be an interesting raising of stakes.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/01/2019 14:32

I've been rushing about and am trying to catch up with the thread. The explanation in response to Joanna Cherry QC s questions on the granting of the Seabourne freight contract without normal competitive tendering was absolutely shocking.

Also So sorry if this has already been covered...DH made a really good point the news has been plastered with the news we need more fibre- potatoes, pulses, lentils etc.
Isn't it a bit of a coincidence??

We're about to ditch the trading bloc that facilitates much of our varied food supply. Errr surprise, surprise we are being bombarded with the news that other foods would suit us better. I just feel like we live in some kind of propaganda, Newspeak ish , brain washing society.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/01/2019 14:35

Tom Newton Dunnn@tnewtondunn*

3. Emergency planning underway for PM to make an immediate Commons statement after the defeat, either late on Tuesday or Wednesday,
to calm financial markets.
May then expected to fly to Brussels for crisis talks with Tusk/Juncker.

< they won't dump Ireland by watering down the backstop, so she'll get some very impressive flower words - and nothing legally binding >

HesterThrale · 12/01/2019 14:38

I do like ‘We’re even greater IN’. But it is a bit similar to the 2016 slogan ‘Stronger IN’.

But yes, bigging up the EU needs doing.
(I wonder if Europe will come to seem glamorous and attractive if we leave. You always want what’s out of reach...)

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 14:38

More suggestions:

Let's Keep It Together
Simply The Best Deal

I admit i have way too much time on my hands today...

BigChocFrenzy · 12/01/2019 14:41

Man arrested over alleged incident involving Anna Soubry MP

It's re the thuggery on Monday - not because of a new incident
The Met FINALLY got off their arses, because so many of her fellow MPs wrote to them complaining

https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-over-alleged-incident-involving-anna-soubry-mp-11605457

Dozens of MPs wrote to the Metropolitan Police commissioner to express "serious concerns" about the "deteriorating public order and security situation" in Westminster.

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 14:44

Is there a tally of how much has been spent on brexit already? The remain campaign should really reclaim the 'love of country' territory, and demostrate it's the only way to address domestic issues. Brexit is a costly pointless exercise. It is truly the work of the elite, the really powerful rich one. Remain has to reclaim the people.

TatianaLarina · 12/01/2019 14:45

Tune in and Cop Out could be Corbyn’s slogan.

Quietrebel · 12/01/2019 14:45

Lol

1tisILeClerc · 12/01/2019 14:54

{Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley said a no-deal exit would create a "feeling of unrest".}
I am really (not) heartened by Ms Bradley's grasp of the situation.
(extract from BBC website).

BigChocFrenzy · 12/01/2019 14:59

Another excellent article by Tony Connelly for RTE

May in fantasy land about renegotiating the backstop
So chaotic that she baffled the EU at the December summit, who keep thinking she must have a hidden plan - no, she's really this deperate

Also, No 10 seem to have invented the recent story on asking the EU about an A50 extension

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1022739/?

"It was kind of extraordinary," recalls one senior Irish figure.
"There was a general incredulity at the way they approached it and what their asks were.^

"They went into the meeting asking for things that were patently not deliverable and as a consequence quite irritated people.

And they couldn’t offer any credible assurance that even if they could be delivered that it would deliver [support for the Withdrawal Agreement] on the other side.

"Even though it’s a mess, we’re all trained to assume somewhere deep down there’s a plan, even if it doesn’t look obvious. < Nope >

But nobody can figure out what that plan is."

It was, indeed, a demoralising experience for the Irish side.
Theresa May was now trash-talking the backstop so much that Dublin was beginning to wonder about her commitment to what the backstop was supposed to achieve
.....
The Telegraph report that the UK would seek an extension of Article 50 was greeted with surprise and suspicion by EU officials and diplomats.

"It seems like a ghost," says one senior official. "Everybody sees it, but no one has seen it when you ask them.
It’s a funny, elusive thing. It keeps reappearing. But I’ve not heard anyone discuss it.
I’ve asked around. Everyone says no."

One theory is that the idea has been deliberately floated by Downing Street to wrong-foot both no-dealers and those seeking a second referendum.
....
Officials view the UK as a twin-headed beast:
one a rabid, convulsed parliament, the other a beleaguered government that has lost control.
< sounds like an unofficial quote from someone >