"Soubry Is A Nazi...."

[JSmitty]

I'm sure she's far from perfect like the rest of us, but I can't see the connection:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46785941/brexit-anna-soubry-mp-shouted-down-by-protesters-on-tv

The earlier chant, though, was spot on:

"Soubry is a lawyer....."

(If I heard rightly?)

"Different even from Eurosceptics doing so in 1987 referendum + 12 years - and back then there was little Eurosceptic campaigning from what I know of it."

Except for IDS, Redwood etc in the 90's standing for a government manifesto that had a clear pro European vision?

Also the people that hurled abuse at JRM were not remainers, it was a group called class war, Oh well that's alright then...

Funny how it's always so much more unacceptable when someone who is pro brexit or a conservative does it, isn't it?

And those thugs that drove Nigel Farage off the streets and 'kettled' him in a pub? An incident that Sarah Champion described as 'hilarious'?

The JRM thing was not a leave/remain issue, he was being shouted at by far left ( and also much more likely to be leave) supporters*

Know that for a fact do you? What about other things that have been mentioned.

You seem to think it is ok as it is against people you disagree with. It isn't ok whoever it is against.

I'm not a fan of Soubry but calling her a Nazi is outrageous. It proves that there's no arguing with stupid. Some people are just thick as pig shit.

Campaigning to reverse the outcome immediately after the result is known, having stood on a platform of implementing it, is different IMO

This isn't Putin's Kremlin, individual MPs can campaign for what the heck they like, then face the electorate at the next GE, this is how it works in the UK and thankfully so, you may want a dictatorship, most do not.

However, if all Tory remainers resigned the whip, where would that leave May?

fwiw a PV is not over turning the 2016 result, the UK is free to vote Leave again.

And those thugs that drove Nigel Farage off the streets and 'kettled' him in a pub? An incident that Sarah Champion described as 'hilarious'?

How about some simple facts? instead of your sensationalism.

Farage was opening a ukip Office in Rotherham and on Police advice was asked to stay in it, after abandoning its opening, he was under Police protection and not in danger.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/06/nigel-farage-forced-to-hide-in-office-from-anti-ukip-protesters_n_6629444.html?

"Know that for a fact do you?"

That is wasn't a leave remain issue? It was nothing to do with that, it was a left right issue.

"You seem to think it is ok as it is against people you disagree with. It isn't ok whoever it is against."

Never said this, you got to deplore anyone who attacks others in public this way, especially with the threatened violence.

Farage, having threatened violence himself, is fair game.

"However, if all Tory remainers resigned the whip, where would that leave May?"

Without a majority.

People aren’t actually defending this, are they?

Fuck that- if people really can’t condemn this, then we’re really up shit creek.

People aren’t actually defending this, are they?

Not only are they defending this, but they're very distressed that numerous have been deleted by MNHQ, which is some form of terrible oppression of the righteous.

Funny how it's always so much more unacceptable when someone who is pro brexit or a conservative does it, isn't it?

That's not what is being said - I think the point was being made that the people haranguing JRM weren't remainers, which is probably true, but irrelevant, because the people threatening Soubry and others aren't really "leavers" in the sense of being Brexit campaigners.

Farage is fair game..! Fair enough... So then is Jones who was calling for Tories to be subjected to far worse when going to a conference not so long ago.

Can anyone recall a word of indignation out of him aimed at MaoDonnell when he made this little announcement?

Members of Parliament should not be physically threatened and intimidated by the public, regardless of their stance on anything. JRM has publicly announced his support for abortion, even in cases of rape. Yes, unacceptable comments were shouted about his children, an act which was widely condemned, but he wasn't surrounded as he walked down the street by an angry mob of pro-choice protesters. That would have been just as unacceptable as the actions against AS. I will leave aside the question of whether it is more threatening to have a gang of men accosting a woman.

I was responding to someone who seemed to be suggesting the Police have some kind of badly concealed agenda by not arresting Soubry or Jones' Barracker.

The Police didn't arrest anyone on the occasion when JRM was abused in front of his children by a far left thugs either.

he wasn't surrounded as he walked down the street by an angry mob of pro-choice protesters.. Ah well that's an entirely different matter then. They just turned up at his home and abused him front of his wife and children talking to them specifically about how much their father is "hated"..

Good to see a bit of balance.

I give up.

I notice JR-M had two police officers guarding him.

The far right and far left are taking over politics. It's grim.

That people aren’t falling over themselves to distance themselves from a mob of far right thugs chanting nazi and traitor - only two years after an mp was murdered for ‘being a traitor’ is astounding.

And yes I was on the threads where it was unanimously agreed that the one man who questioned kids was a moron.

You will also notice that Jones had a phalanx of large policemen flanking him during his barracking. DippyAvocado.

RE: Soubry, as much as I disprove of the abuse she received, the lack of any political or practical effectiveness whatsoever in doing so...

She's hardly blameless herself.

How do you mean?

What did she say that you disagree with?

“She's hardly blameless herself.”

Sorry? How does your video support this statement? Are you saying that the EDL and Tommy Robinson’s supporters aren’t racists?

I think AS has been picked on partly because of her husband's business interests where he employs EU migrant workers, and I think that is totally unfair. She is a politician in her own right and has nothing to do with Nazism.

Ratchet I don’t really understand your point? As a PP has said, the EDL are racists! I unfollowed an old friend on Facebook recently because they kept reposting EDL stuff, it’s abhorent.

Whilst people are bandying around the term 'Nazi' (Nationalsozialistischm Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - National-Socialist German Workers' Party) it might be worth noting that Adolf Hitler was voted into power as Chancellor of Germany in 1932/3 and then promptly did away with electoral democracy.

Owner of the Daily Mail Viscount Rothermere wrote in the Mail then, that Hitler’s party “represent the birth of Germany as a nation”. This was at a time when Hitler had made clear his hatred of Jews and belief in racial supremacy in his book Mein Kampf.

In the '30's, the working class in the east-end of London, marched behind the banner of Oswald Mosley and his black shirts. He was a Fascist, a proper 'Nazi'.

'Populism' is the name we currently use to describe lumpen proletariat stupidity. However when political thuggery is evident on our streets, Fascism is not far behind. Mosley's bully boys of the 30's smashed the windows of Jewish shops and houses and torched synagogues.

I've voted Labour all my life and I regard Anna Soubry as a decent, highly intelligent woman of great integrity. Our representative democracy puts MP's into Parliament to make difficult decisions for us, sometimes based on political expedience and sometimes based on conscience. If we don't like the decisions they make, they can be deselected by their constituency party.

A referendum is a very blunt and not particularly democratic tool when the issue is as complex as our membership of the EU. Democracy is about providing all comers with a voice including minorities. Those who keep reminding us that 'The people have spoken' might be careful what they wish for - how many other issues could be decided by referenda? Public execution? Torture? Repatriation? A public vote is not necessarily democratic, it may be the tyranny of the masses.