"Soubry Is A Nazi...."

[JSmitty]

I'm sure she's far from perfect like the rest of us, but I can't see the connection:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46785941/brexit-anna-soubry-mp-shouted-down-by-protesters-on-tv

The earlier chant, though, was spot on:

"Soubry is a lawyer....."

(If I heard rightly?)

Sorry if my post came over a bit 'shouldnt be on here as its not brexit' type way smitty

That wasnt my intention, i think politically brexit has gone quite someway in losing politicians the modicum of 'respect' from the general public that they still retained pre 2016

I for one find it laughable that the politicians are criticising lack of police action

Well, i don't.... these are our elected representatives, one of whom was murdered by a crazed right winger 2.5 years ago.

The Police were in attendance, not 5 miles away, they were witnesses to what looked very much like assault and did nothing.

Terrorism within the far right is on the rise, the Police acknowledge this, how it is deemed at all acceptable that ANY MP or Journalist can be subject to physical abuse beggars belief, then again the Met also thought it was acceptable to leave an unarmed Police Officer guarding an entrance to Parliament.....

Maybe they are waiting for another death and then hold another inquiry with "Lessons will be learned"

This is nothing more than what remainers and the left have done to Nigel Farage and JRM, in front of their children in both cases.

The right have always done this to the left and vice versa

Im getting a bit tired of the trope that its only one way...its always been a two way street

I think it used to be far right and far left that did this sort of thing

And now more people at either end have been emboldened by the political tribalism

Well, i don't.... these are our elected representatives, one of whom was murdered by a crazed right winger 2.5 years ago.

The Police were in attendance, not 5 miles away, they were witnesses to what looked very much like assault and did nothing.

I think the point is that people are being killed and attacked all the time in the UK and the police do nothing because basically they lack the resources as a result of funding cuts, which were voted on by the same politicians who are now complaining that the police aren't doing enough. There's a certain irony to it all.

I'm in no way saying that there is any justification here. Just it takes a certain amount of tone-deafness for those politicians to have written that letter.

I think the point is that people are being killed and attacked all the time in the UK and the police do nothing because basically they lack the resources as a result of funding cuts, which were voted on by the same politicians who are now complaining that the police aren't doing enough

No they are not, you are exaggerating! we are not all being murdered and attacked!

Police numbers are similar to the early 00's now and cannot patrol every street 24/7.

All serious attacks and murders are investigated and arrests made in many cases, the recent train stabbing led to an arrest/charged very quickly.

The point here is that the Police were in attendance and whilst i have no problem with people chanting whatever they like at MPs (subject to the law) the close physical contact should not be tolerated, acid or a knife could have been used on Jones or Soubry.

By doing nothing, the protestors (from either side) will be emboldened and go farther next time.

Noticed it was a group of men.....

“I think the point is that people are being killed and attacked all the time in the UK and the police do nothing”

No they aren’t-that is a ridiculous thing to say. And we, as taxpayers, accept that our elected representatives need more security than other groups. The fact that nobody has been arrested for the Soubary incident is shocking.

Nigel Farage and JRM (and to some extent BoJo) are espousing quite extreme views so more likely to draw people's ire. Soubry is a centrist discussing something lots of people talk about entirely reasonably. She's not the figurehead for any movement, she's not saying anything extreme. She's just respectfully putting forward her opinion, as she is entitled to do, and is a big part of her role as an MP.
I agree with her. Something's gone very wrong for her to be verbally abused like that at her place of work while doing her job.

Ahh the hypocritical surferjet rides again.

Many people condemned the JRM thing, but it in no way is as bad as this.

But of course no one on the leave campaign has been attacked and jostled like this.

Or murdered.

Why are we making this a remain/leave issue? Surely the fact that we are allowing people who would form an angry mob and shout abuse at people any voice or power at all is the issue. Mob rule. That's the result of calling a referendum on a topic most people have only rudimentary knowledge of - itself the result of valuing opinion over education.

Somebody on here said I was ridiculous for saying the country was already at civil war the other day - well, this is what civil war looks like.

I'm a staunch remainer but it's clear we need to do something to unite the country not squabble about which side is more feral. People's vote is the only way at this point.

Police figures are actually at their lowest since the 80s yet the population has increased significantly. To pretend that police resourcing isn’t an issue in dealing (or not dealing) with low level crime eg public order then you also need a reality check.

For the record though, I also think they should have taken action, my point is which was also out across well by the pp, is that MPs complaining about lack of police action when THEY feel harassed and intimidated should look at themselves closely and realise many people across their constituencies also aren’t getting the service from police that they should be as the police physically aren’t able to deliver it.

Quite wallis

Well, the police certainly seems to think that government-backed budget cuts have reduced their ability to deal with low-level crimes. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to read this letter from the people who cut their budgets criticizing them for their lack of response.

www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/10/policing-at-tipping-point-over-budget-cuts-warns-police-chief

All that is true but in the video of Soubry being obstructed as she tries to enter parliament you can see two coppers standing on the other side of the road! So police numbers/ resources not really a factor here.

But those police are more likely to be anti-terrorist. They won’t be allowed to leave their post for this sort of thing. I noticed one of the officers at the gate was talking on his radio, so maybe calling for backup. Who knows?

I do think the way they surround her is quite intimidating ( and I imagine she isn't the sort to be intimidated easily), that along with the language they use, is out of order. Fair do's if they want to exercise their right to peaceful protest, but their behaviour belittles their own argument.

But of course no one on the leave campaign has been attacked and jostled like this.

Or murdered.

This ^ a million times over.

There have been least 4 (?) London peaceful remain and PV protests, in total involving over a million people.

There is a difference in behaviour between those protests and this behaviour.

In the summer Anna Soubry wrote a letter to her constituents telling them that her first priority is to the good of the country and her second is to her constituents. This is because she has received a lot of criticism over her stance as an ardent remainer when her own constituents voted as a whole to leave the EU. Despite the leave vote she is still doing everything she can to stop Brexit.

She needs police protection now because of the vitriol against her. I think she shows major arrogance going against what her constituents decided but she shouldn't be hassled or threatened over it. That is not on.

Lets look at what you originally said:
I think the point is that people are being killed and attacked all the time in the UK and the police do nothing

Which is rubbish, Police have always investigated serious crime.

You ve now changed this to a far more reasonable;
To pretend that police resourcing isn’t an issue in dealing (or not dealing) with low level crime eg public order then you also need a reality check

I don't need a "reality check" as i never suggested the police investigate all minor crime...... all you ve done is moved your goal posts

Police have never had the resources to investigate every garden shed robbery or pub fight.

On Police numbers.. they are similar to 2010, which in turn are similar to mid 80s so we were both correct.

fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/

Also the people that hurled abuse at JRM were not remainers, it was a group called class war, they are left wing ( and actually very likely to be leavers).

Stop conflating the two.

Again, missing my point of once those coppers are off the street there is nobody to replace them patrolling that high profile area. This is a problem across uk towns and cities and the reason that many low level crime is being tolerated (though obviously I don’t know the reasoning in these circumstances).

Secondly, as I said I do think they should have taken action. However there is a very clear complaints process if Soubrey or any other MP/member of the public wish to make a complaint re officer conduct in a particular situation. For MPs of this Tory Government to make a public issue re lack of police action for them and their own at a time when the public have not been getting a decent service for a while now due to this governments cuts is, to me at least, outrageous.

JasJas I was not the poster who made the comment about people being killed and attacked so I haven’t changed anything.

Police numbers are particularly low, lets not pretend they aren’t, also the population has increased which obviously means more incidents/crime to deal with.

I agree with wallis last post

The police are stretched, quite often they have no one they can send out at that time

However...that obviously doesnt mean they should not do anything when a they are there, on the spot