Westministenders: Teetering on the edge

[RedToothBrush]

12 weeks to go.

There is rising confidence in the Extreme Brexiteer camp as well as open comments about how they can deliberately force through No Deal. Remember No Deal is the default. Every political crisis that takes up time makes no deal more likely and the ERG can just be obstructive to facilitate a political crisis. Parliament DO NOT have the ultimate power to stop Brexit - unless the government effectively allow an option to do so. And there is no sign May will let this ever happen. No Deal takes us back to pre-industrial revolution Britain in many social and economic ways. Which will please Jacob Rees-Mogg no end.

No Deal prep is now costing us a fortune - and is no where near sufficient in its scope. Won't someone think of all the extra that could have been put into the NHS.

Parliament returns next week. I hope you have enjoyed your Christmas break. What will happen in 2019 no one knows; the only certainity is turbulance and lurching from crisis to crisis. If we don't get hit by Brexit, maybe it will be the US shutdown crisis or the collaspe in the Chinese economy that will get us. Economists are nervous and thats generally not a good thing for the average person on the street.

Time to get in the euros, stock up on the tomatoes, invest in books and otherwise batten down the hatches financially whilst we await the coming storm in the hope that the forecasters are as good as Michael Fish in 1987.

I am looking forward longingly to mid April when whatever happens has happened and I can delete MN from my computer. I am only really on here to get the interesting conversation and 'stuff' pulled up by those on this thread.
I have to 'bite my tongue' really hard when looking at many of the other (non Brexit) threads.

Gilets jaunes piss me off too.

Your Twitter usage sounds like mine, Misti.

Pmk ta red

I don't think it's insulting to call a brexiter or leaver a heartless bastard when they have demostrated a lack of thought or care for others.

I pulled the plug on a friendship this new yr with a leaver, she was a rude, insulting, selfish, heartless bitch. I had tried and tried and could try no more. Everytime I saw her I felt depressed and I couldn't stop it.

Thanks for the new thread RTB!

For me the earliest incarnations of Gilets Jaunes had a point but it was hijacked and expanded way beyond the origins. They should, to my mind have stopped their protest 4 or more weeks ago. Trashing cars and property was not in the original GJ remit.

The hardest thing is not retweeting our amazing gender critical sisters, TBH

Yep. Mine is a work account and the stuff I can't tweet (I work in a terribly woke place) gets to me just as much as the stuff I want to ignore.

Oh ffs Bridgen is on C4 News again.

Thanks Red

Time to get in the euros, stock up on tomatoes, invest in books and otherwise batten down the hatches financially

Have books coming out of my ears and the tinned tomato supplies are growing by the week. Still in a world of pain trying to get my head around the Euros. Looking on the transferwise website it seems they hold money for UK customers in their Barclays account. They aren’t covered by the FSCS and say that if they became insolvent your money is protected because it’s with Barclays. But, if Barclays were to become insolvent the money wouldn’t be protected. Now, I know the likelihood of Barclays going bust seems crazy, but we all remember those banks that were too big to fail don’t we?

Does anyone know of a Euro account with a high street bank that can be opened by a U.K. resident?

I think being called racist and thick is worse imo

Only if you are not racist and thick. Otherwise it's merely the truth.

Racist is usually quite easy to winkle out.

"Thick" is a little harder, as there are plenty of people with PhDs who really are thick as pigshit - just look at some of our politicians.

There's a certain degree of triage needed ... a bit like driving. If I see a BMW or Audi in my line of vision, I up the dick deflector a notch. Not guaranteed perfect, but I'd rather be alive the other side to tell the tale. (Oh, the hippocracy )

Gilets jaunes piss me off too.

Though as Simon Evans said on the News Quiz, it's nice to see someone in a high viz jacket actually doing something ....

{Though as Simon Evans said on the News Quiz, it's nice to see someone in a high viz jacket actually doing something ....}
Gets mighty confusing at times over here as cyclists wear them because they don't want to be flattened, a few around here were protesting but the 'passive' leave it on the dashboard rather than stuff it in the glove box seems to be the general level, and then there are the road realignment works at the local supermarket.
I know 65 year old ladies can get a bit steamed up but around here they are not overturning cars and setting fire to them.

twitter.com/garius/status/1080460373680144387

Just in case a laugh is needed about the (must be) corruption surrounding a certain ferry deal. @garius is worth a follow on Twitter for threads like this. His migrant crisis thread is gold. :o

On second thoughts although the lady up the road is not near 65 she has a huge tractor (not a Euphemism) she could give Tommy Robinson a run for his money in a 'protest'. Can Tommy run at 40MPH with a spiked bale lifting attachment behind him?

Nightmare!

twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1081610073502302208?s=19

Garius is about the only thing making Brexit (and Twitter) bearable.

Although I am slightly disturbed by the sneaking affection I have for GoveThulu...

@GD12 Fuck.

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We're so, so fucked.

I blame - really, really blame - every single individual or organisation that enables the cognitive dissonent fantasy that 'No Deal' is in any way OK.

Who was it on here who said a 'managed no Deal' is like putting on incontinence pants when you jump out of a plane? That was brilliant and I have used it in real life.

I think if that tweet is the prediction then Scotland will face Indy ref 2.

EU will surely never extend A50 for no deal preps. Has to be unanimous doesn't it? This looks more like theatre, intended primarily to pressure Ireland. It is very disappointing that "serious" journalists are writing this crap. The English press only even covers Brexit through an English lens, forgetting that it takes two to tango.

One of the first replies to that tweet, quoting Verhofstad, says it all. Patience with us ran out many, many months ago. There will be no 'extension' and the fact that this tosh is still being reported as fact, or even 'expectation' shows just how utterly screwed we are.

This country is served so, so appallingly by its government and its media.

I've read all the replied to that Will Hutton tweet and not one has a clue what he means.

I 'm assuming he is reporting what Parliament/Cabinet things they'll get rather than what the EU27 will actually do ?

Anyone hear Ken Clarke on R4 ? suggests a revoke, for a fixed time period to prepare properly to exit EU and a possible referendum, he seems to think only a small minority want a genuine no deal exit....