A little quiz for leavers mainly, but anyone may answer

[PrincessMargaret]

If you voted leave, please answer at least three of these, it must include #6.

1. Can you name a bad EU law?
2. What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?
3. How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?
4. How will border controls keep our lorries moving?
5. Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?
6. How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?
7. The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?
8. Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?
9. Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?
10. Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Very interested to see the responses.

The original premise of joining the common market was a lot simpler and has had 40 years of amendments and widening the scope.
It is a different animal now, as indeed are we, 40 years on.

Love and stuffing, I would LOVE for someone to answer these questions. I want a good end result for the UK and these are questions that need to be answered and resolved.

PrincessMargaret

Why are you desperately seeking answers on a parenting forum?
I mean MN is great but it’s not exactly the natural home for great political minds.
Why not just read the newspapers or watch the news?

How about this as a start.
The enforced relaxation of the Pets passport rules so that we are in line with the rest of the EU. Means we are at a far greater risk of bringing in rabies and serious Tick- transmitted diseases.
There is no benefit to the UK for this - it is purely to ‘make things equal across the EU’ but could be devastating especially with the huge risk of legal and illegal animal imports from Eastern Europe.

Surferjet, why do YOU spend so much time hanging round the Brexit boards on a parenting forum?

I am not really leave but I have a dislike of people putting up the opposition like a bunch of straw people then kicking them down and congratulating themselves on their cleverness. some may have voted leave for silly reasons some may have voted remain for equally silly reasons, but not all 17 million voters were stupid; though more university educated people voted remain than leave; a good 40% voted leave

there have been occasions when EU court has suggested that UK Government needed to alter laws against the will of parliament giving votes to prisoners was one such issue, this has still not been solved but this is an example of the Sovereignty of Uk parliament being undermined they voted in the commons against votes for Prisoners but that was not the end of the matter

like all agreements there are some winners and some losers the EU does not benefit all of the people all of the time, even if on average it is beneficial which I think many people who voted remain also think there is a lot wrong with EU but just marginally we are better off in than out

EU law does not benefit british fishing, the only part of Scotland that was close to voting for Brexit was in fishing communities, fishing workers do not want to stay at home and be paid nothing, they could catch the fish in our waters and sell it to those who want it rather than them fishing it

Some in the Scottish referendum thought it was better to be independent even if there was a financial hit, while some may disagree with them economically it is not an untenable position, and neither is it untenable to suggest that independence of the UK from EU is worth a financial hit some are honest about this some not

it is also true that we are a net contributor to the EU but many countries in the EU pay in less than they get out, it is of course no where near £350K per day but there would be a net daily gain in monetary terms, some people maybe perfectly happy being net contributors but others are not and that is also a legitimate position

With the former fisheries minister (MEP) a certain Farage who hardly attended any discussions in the EP things were bound to go badly. in a similar way, the UK gov having spent 2 years arguing with themselves over what a 'Brexit' actually is rather than hard negotiating with Brussels has led us to this dogs dinner. You can't blame the EU if the UK don't turn up.

Is that you Theresa?

Nope, still no answers. Wonder why? Please Leavers, I need you to tell me something concrete and positive about this. I'm really anxious about Brexit. I can't think of a single example of where leaving a trading bloc has been positive. But I'm sure I'm missing something. please god

I mean MN is great but it’s not exactly the natural home for great political minds. Why not just read the newspapers or watch the news?

IMO, the British newspapers or British news are not a natural home for many great political minds at the moment, either. With a few honourable exceptions.

Papers have various agendas, primarily to make money. BBC news should be 'neutral' but has managed to be neutral by not reporting.
SKY has been better, although has some bias.
A quick flick through European online papers (and translate if necessary) can add other facets to the material discussed in the UK papers.

@loveandstuffing LMAO "You’ll start nitpicking and finding holes and flaws."

That's how debates and discussions work! How old are you 5?

Yes posters say things - it turns out to be made up nonsense - other posters critique it and point out the holes in the argument. This is how debates go. It's the whole fucking point.

You make a point, someone responds, and you reply with a better answer...unless you can't.

And if you can't you are probably wrong.

Leavers are being asked to grow up and engage with debate, disagreeing is not being mean its political discussion.

And then leavers complain when people say they are stupid. Ffs.

If a Leave/No Deal supporter came on here and said "I always knew it would be hard; you might not believe me but I always said do in real life and on here; I know it will take us a long time to get back on our feet and I know people (including my friends and family) will suffer but I believe it is still worth it" I would have some respect for them. I would disagree with their decision but have some respect.
It is the wriggling and pouting and general childishness that makes my blood boil. As well as getting into bed with racists and disaster capitalists.

OP I still do not see Brexit happening in any form, regardless of how I voted and regardless of what is happening now, there is a long dark four months to go and anything exceptional could happen in that time

Teacup, I don't want to congratulate myself on my cleverness. I would dearly like people to answer some of the questions. The fact that no one has fills me with despair in fact.

Re Question 6) There should have been a contingency for this in the Good Friday Agreement. You could say that Terrorism has won, as it’s certainly complicated Brexit. What would be expected along the border if, say, Italy chose to leave? Are we the only country who should be trapped in the EU ?

If Italy decided to leave under similar circumstances then it would be expected to have a customs border. Expensive to build but I don't think contentious in the way the NI border is.
A similar issue could possibly arise in Spain with Catalunya and the Basque regions but without details of what was being proposed it might not be an issue.

I’m not five, I’m not stupid, and there’s no need to swear @Moussemoose

My point was that the premise for this thread is very disingenuous.

Why disingenuous? These are reasonable questions. That no one wants to answer.

There is no need to swear?

The country is running straight towards an economic disaster that the chaos capitalists will use to exploit the poor and split the country.

And you don't like it when posters challenge your arguments and swear?

You need to take a long hard look at the potential results of voting leave and realise they will be your responsibility, your fault and then maybe you might swear.

@Twooter guessing you aren't old enough to remember life in the UK and particularly in NI before GFA.
Which is why you think there should have been some kind of get out of EU clause in GFA.
Because only a swivel eyed loon would have wanted to risk the peace created by GFA.

You're asking questions of the wrong people. No leave voter will have an answer to those questions, as it's not their job to. We were asked do we want to leave the eu.... The rest was up to government to sort out.

That the government are an ineffective bunch of jelly babies is not the fault of leave voters

That the government didn't even bother to plan AT ALL for the outcome is not the fault of the leave voters

You need to take a long hard look at the potential results of voting leave and realise they will be your responsibility, your fault and then maybe you might swear

This quote just sums up the majority of these threads. You just want leavers to grovel and apologise for their perceived stupidity.
When that's never going to happen, because someone having a different opinion to you doesn't make them stupid.

Agree.
I don’t think the remainers on here will be happy until leavers are all whipping themselves with a very big stick whilst shouting ‘we’ve been very very bad & must punish ourselves’

It’s beyond ridiculous.

I would like Leavers to stop being such snowflakes about not getting their way but mostly I don't want the dreadfulness of No Deal.
We leave with No Deal and we all get punished. Hurt feelings and bleating, I can put up with,

No, I do remember what it was like before the GFA. But taking all other arguments out of the equation, are you saying that the UK is never allowed to come out of the EU, despite it being an option for all the other members. Because absolutely it should have been considered at the GFA stage. Supposing 90% of people wanted to leave? Would people look for a solution then?