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Brexit

A little quiz for leavers mainly, but anyone may answer

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PrincessMargaret · 22/11/2018 22:14

If you voted leave, please answer at least three of these, it must include #6.

  1. Can you name a bad EU law?
  2. What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?
  3. How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?
  4. How will border controls keep our lorries moving?
  5. Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?
  6. How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?
  7. The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?
  8. Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?
  9. Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?
  10. Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Very interested to see the responses.

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BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 10:22

Yet leave voters are always allowed to ask questions of remain and expect answers.

The Truth is that leave voters all voted out for spurious reasons, or because they envisioned some personal gain. The leave vote is such a mulititude of conflicting objectives and personal fantasies its laughable,

But like Trump, who has achieved nothing that was promised ( apart from a tax cut for the rich and coporations, which hasn't boosted growth or investment) Brexit will achieve nothing for its voters.

Nothing, nil, nada.

Its fucking funny to be honest.

PrincessMargaret · 23/11/2018 10:27

I have no intention of being goady. I saw this list on FB and thought it was a fair summary of discussion points. Why should it be so hard to actually answer a few of them?

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BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 10:29

I agree PrincessMargaret, but leavers won the vote so they don't have to explain anything ever.

They get to hang around internet forums claiming they could explain, but they haven't got time to, over and over again. That's their prize.

Nesssie · 23/11/2018 10:57

but leavers won the vote I'm not sure many remainders understand this simple fact... apparently every single one of the 17,410,742 leave voters was tricked, stupid, or didn't know what they were voting for. Thank goodness we have the remainers to tell us how we should think/feel/vote.

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 11:08

Well to be fair when the leave voters all have such conflicting views of what leave looks like, and when many of these are in direct opposition to each other it is quite easy to come to the conclusion that many leave voters didn't know what they were voting for.

Leavers won the vote, by listening to people who promised everything under the sun.

Peregrina · 23/11/2018 11:12

If you believe May's take on it, people were voting to end FoM because she hates immigration and everyone thinks like her. Others would have voted For money for the NHS.

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 11:16

I seem to remember people also voting because it would bring down house prices.

Because the Fishing industry would boom.

Because we would be able to retain all of the current benefits of the EU with none of the costs.

Because it would get the "Muslims out".

Because it would be better for the low paid (studies prove catagorically not)

Because of the pressure that immigrants put on the NHS and schools.

DaffoDeffo · 23/11/2018 11:17

I voted Remain but given the shenanigans that have been going on, I'd be seriously tempted to vote Leave if we got another chance

it's not 'bad eu' law that people mind - it's the fact that the eu law dictates law. And the fisheries wording is madness.

I really hope this deal doesn't get through parliament because all it has done is postpone any meaningful decisions to 2020!

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 11:25

"It's the fact that the EU law dictates law"

Which EU law has been dictated to? Which EU law was the UK not a negotiation party to prior being placed on the statute books?

DaffoDeffo · 23/11/2018 11:38

well factually loads of our laws, the majority of them. Even if we (as the UK) disagree with them, if the majority of the EU agrees they get voted through.

lonelyplanetmum · 23/11/2018 11:38

it's the fact that the eu law dictates law

Yes it would be unsettling for some if the EU dictated all our law. It wold be equally worrying for say Spain if we had been dictating all theirs. I can see it worries people but it helps to dig deeper and look at which areas are shared and the mechanisms in place. We agreed to jointly pool regulations in limited areas that we retained a joint say in.

Responsibility for the vast majority of decisions and laws is held by national governments. The UK jointly agreed that we would all set bare minimum rules about the environment, food, agriculture and some workers rights. We got to say how these would work in other countries eg France, Italy, Germany too.

All national governments ( ours included) have complete autonomy over most things: elections, health, education, defence, policing, crime and punishment, social care, elderly care, pensions, fiscal policy, individual taxation, non EU migration, local government, property law etc.

Ironically, under the current Brexit plan we are obviously no longer participating in making the EU bare minimum rules, but will still abide by them for the sake of trade. But it's still only in limited areas -mostly food and environment so perhaps doesn't matter that it's no longer as joint as it was.

Peregrina · 23/11/2018 11:40

The way that Reeds-Mogg and co are now saying that May's deal would make us a vassal state - a rule taker, and not a rule maker, shows that this idea that the EU dictates our laws was a nonsense.

1tisILeClerc · 23/11/2018 11:46

The income from fishing is roughly equivalent to the EU payments, roughly 0.7% of GDP.
The UK public don't even want to eat many of the species of fish caught, so a fair amount is actually sold to the EU.
The fishing industry needed investment, but rather than invest some simply sold up to other EU members. There was also the scrappage scheme introduced which lost fishing quotas as UK boats had allocations associated with them, unlike EU boats. Poor negotiation by the UK.

1tisILeClerc · 23/11/2018 11:51

Looking at fishing in a purely financial way, we could tell all the fishermen to stay at home and pay them from the public purse and it wouldn't make a great deal of difference to anyone else, less than a penny in the pound on taxes.

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 13:03

"The income from fishing is roughly equivalent to the EU payments"

The income from Harrods is higher than the income from fishing.

friendlycat · 23/11/2018 14:12

The sad facts are these are not goady questions but straight forward questioning that deserves measured and intelligent thinking and answers. Even sadder is the fact that you just won’t get the answers. It drove me mad watching Question Time last night and the only real voice of reason was from the President of John Lewis Partnerships.

lonelyplanetmum · 23/11/2018 14:29

Any answers yet?

Nope - thought not.

DaffoDeffo · 23/11/2018 14:42

well if May and an entire team of negotiators couldn't solve this, how on earth do you think a Leave voter would?

I have to say the Remain voters on here do come across as unsufferably goady.

I think this country needs to be very careful because the way things are going, if there was another referendum, I think it could be even more Leave than it was the first time round!

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 14:46

It wouldn't be more leave this time round.

BorisBogtrotter · 23/11/2018 14:48

Oh and if they can't answer the questions 1 and 2? Then why would you vote leave?

DaffoDeffo · 23/11/2018 14:53

how can you possibly know that Boris? No-one ever predicted it would be leave in the first place!

TheElementsSong · 23/11/2018 14:58

I think it could be even more Leave than it was the first time round!

Great, let's do it then, and prove this assertion.

loveandstuffing · 23/11/2018 15:03

The thing is though, OP, is that you don’t actually want anyone to seriously reply. Because you won’t than accept their responses and opinions. You’ll start nitpicking and finding holes and flaws. Basically you want another fight, another attack on those who voted Leave.

1tisILeClerc · 23/11/2018 15:08

DaffoDeffo
Since no leaver has managed to come up with a realistic outcome of leaving being BETTER than remaining, apart from a blue passport and making it harder to travel in over 2 1/2 years maybe 'remainers' are getting a bit annoyed at having their lives ruined.
At which point being a bit 'goady' pales into insignificance.
I seem to remember a lot of 'we won, get over it' a while back. Where have all those people gone? Maybe they have realised what they have won is a crock of shit possibly?

DaffoDeffo · 23/11/2018 15:25

I don't know 1tis. As I say, I voted Remain.

And I doubt many leave voters thought through every question as I'm sure when we went into the EU, I doubt every single outcome was thought of too.

I cannot see how what has been proposed will get voted through as it doesn't satisfy either side!

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