A little quiz for leavers mainly, but anyone may answer

[PrincessMargaret]

If you voted leave, please answer at least three of these, it must include #6.

1. Can you name a bad EU law?
2. What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?
3. How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?
4. How will border controls keep our lorries moving?
5. Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?
6. How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?
7. The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?
8. Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?
9. Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?
10. Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Very interested to see the responses.

I wish we in the North could get reperations from the South for the cuts, the lack of investment and shitty pupil premiums we suffer.

I think the reason that some people want Brexiteers to apologise and admit they were wrong is because they have spent the past 2 years shouting down remain voters, calling them Remoaners, and telling them, we won so get over it.
Now it turns out they've now got what they thought they wanted and don't like it, cutted up pear anyone?
Ultimately name calling and blaming isn't going to help anyone but there a strong temptation to say, I told you so!!

Leavers won't answer your questions OP because they seem to think it is beneath their dignity.

Actually, ending freedom of movement was one of the main reasons a lot of people voted to leave, politicians admit it!
& which is why TM constantly talks about it.
I’m sorry, but you talk as if you’ll never be allowed to travel again, never allowed out of the UK. How do you think people travelled before FOM was introduced just a few short years ago?
What ‘freedom’ are you losing?
You’ll still be allowed to travel.
And loss of prosperity - well again, a lot of British people were losing out due to FOM, do you give a toss about that?

You’ll never get an apology out of me or any other leaver I know.
I’m still 100% over the fucking moon that we’re leaving.

ending freedom of movement was one of the main reasons a lot of people voted to leave, politicians admit it!
& which is why TM constantly talks about it

TM was always anti immigration, she was the one that instigated the hostile environment at the Home Office.

Brexit has just been the unexpected bonus for her to achieve what she couldn't force through as Home Secretary.

The rule in these situations is 'never let your opponent set the terms of the argument', which is why you have not got and will not get any substantive answers.

As a leaver, I don't care if you understand why we voted to leave or not. I know why I voted leave and why I would again, which is all that matters to me. I'm certainly not going to waste my time answering your quiz.

A few observations: May's 'deal' was not the result of negotiations but was written by the EU with the sole purpose of punishing the UK for daring to vote to leave, by making our post-deal situation even worse than being members, and with help from the traitorous May they have succeeded handsomely. I expect Parliament to vote down the deal, forcing the dreadful May to resign and allowing us to move to trading with EU members on WTO rules after we have left. I'm not going to explain WTO to you, or the massive differences between the WTO and the EU. WTO good, EU bad, trust me. Rules based organisations? So are the Scouts and the Russian Army.

Secondly, the Irish border business is a fake and a fraud cooked up by the EU and the Irish for the sole purpose of buggering up Brexit. I posted this link a couple of days ago of Jon Thompson, the head of UK customs, explaining why.

And then there is the reason people voted leave: to regain our sovereignty. Some people expressed this as a concern over immigration but this is really just another way of describing sovereignty, reclaiming control of our borders.

You, on the other hand, need to explain why you want the UK to be ruled from Brussels by unelected, unaccountable foreigners who clearly despise us, and pay billions for the privilege of running a massive trade
deficit with the EU.

One reason for leaving is to stop the EU treating the UK in exactly the way you OP, are treating leavers. Telling us we are unreasonable, stupid, selfish, racist.
Many of us remember what life was like before we joined the EEC, which was just a trading organisation, and we were just fine.
What we weren't told was that the master plan (of France and Germany) was to secretly force the change to a European Nation.
We don't need the EU to thrive as an independent country, we did just fine before.
But the EU do not want us to do well outside Europe, because that will cause other countries to leave too, and cause the collapse of the European Project. So they intend to make it as difficult as possible for us, to punish us, to frighten any other country who might have the audacity to consider leaving too.

1. Can you name a bad EU law?

Hundreds, including the main treaties, The Common Agricultural and Common Fisheries Policies and many other,s like allowing rich people to prevent search engines bringing up embarrassing information about themselves and allowing MEPs to hide details of their expense claims (up to €4416 per month) from us. Oh, remember the "Tampon Tax" too? The UK has put them on the lowest rate of VAT allowed by the EU. The EU promised to change its law so they would become zero-rated. That was years ago but it has done nothing about it.

2. What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?

Make Free Trade Agreements with other countries that are in our interest, have a real say in who makes our laws. Bring in migrants that we need on basis of their abilities and not where they come from. Breathe the air of freedom.

3. How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?

The WTO has a schedule of the tariffs that a country will use unless it has made a trade agreement with another country. They are very useful until trade agreements are negotiated. The schedules can also be used to import cheaper goods if this is beneficial.

4. How will border controls keep our lorries moving?

Border controls haven't stopped us trading with America, China and Japan successfully. Most shipments are cleared in advance, there are very few actual checks on entry. There are a lot more fully loaded trucks coming into this country from the EU than are taking goods into the EU.

5. Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?

The EU has all of these things with third countries anyway. Multinationals will stay here because we speak English, have a skilled workforce, good employment practices, a good commercial legal system, are business friendly, the country is an attractive place to live and because we are not only a huge market ourselves (5th largest in the world) but also have a proven track record as a successful exporter.

6. How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?

Presumably you mean the border. Neither side is going to impose a hard border whether there is an agreement or not and in any case, the problem of moving goods can be solved by technology. The EU commissioned a report which told them this but they didn't act on it because they wanted to use the border as a bargaining chip. By the way, answer me this, what does the Good Friday Agreement say about the border?

7. The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?

We don't have a hostile environment, we are one of the most accepting societies in the world. But a situation with a lower percentage of EU migrants is not necessarily better or worse. We want to bring in people we need at a rate we can cope with regardless of their country of origin.

8. Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?

No it can't, it can take action against another country but that does not prevent the continuing use of schedules nor affect trade in that time.

9. Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?

Most trade deals are held up because of agricultural interests (the WTO says) which are not such a problem to us as to many other countries. The process can be streamlined and existing Free Trade Agreements can be adopted as a temporary measure until the new ones are in place.

10. Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Guardian, Telegraph, BBC, LBC, Guido Fawkes, EU's various sites, WTO sites, foreign newspapers. Yes, there is a hidden agenda, most noticably with the Guardian and BBC which are both against Brexit. I do like Arron Banks twitter account too and obviously recognise his biases.

11. Why do you prefer the rules based WTO to the rules based EU?

With the World Trade Organisation, the clue is in the name, it deals with trade issues not with trying to unite member states into an Empire. The European Union is different. Why do you think that it changed from the European Economic Community to the European Union (the clue is in the words added and subtracted). The Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example, is a trade organisation.

12. Name one single law that our sovereign (always has been) Parliament has been unable to enact because of the EU.

Our Parliament is not sovereign, EU law has precedence over our own. It's not always a case of being unable to enact laws, often laws are not put before Parliament because they would be struck down. In other cases, we make the law and the ECJ decides that we are not allowed to have it. Take capacity payments for example. Renewable power is given preferential treatment so that it has to be used instead of the more efficient sources. However, renewables are intermittent and so there are long periods (often in the coldest spells) when there is little renewable power. Capacity payments are made to the conventional generators to ensure that we still have power in those situations, for example, so that we can bring a gas-fired station back online. However, the European Court of Justice decided we can't do this, so when the lights go out and your mother dies from the cold, remember to offer a little prayer of thanks to the EU for their beneficence.

Whollyclueless has popped in again, whoopee!
WTO is rules based, and enforces years of negotiations.
WTO and any other deal enforces a 'border' in NI.
The UK already has sovereignty. Only a totally isolated state with no outside contacts has total sovereignty. Even N Korea cedes some to China and others.
The UK is not ruled from Brussels. Practically all laws in the UK were voted for by UK government.
But then you would knowall this if you could remember yesterday or the many times this has been explained previously.

A poster who doesn't seem to have heard of the Windrush problems - where British citizens who lived and worked here for decades have been kicked out. No hostile environment, my eye.

{What we weren't told was that the master plan (of France and Germany) was to secretly force the change to a European Nation.}

It was proposed by Winston Churchill following WW2.

{TM was always anti immigration, she was the one that instigated the hostile environment at the Home Office.}
As head of the home office for 6(? ) years maybe she should have used the powers that were available to all members EU for a start.

Will we regain our sovereignty from the ECHR?

Will we regain our sovereignty from NATO?

Will we regain our sovereignty from WTO rules?

Will we regain our sovereignty from the EU?

No because we will still have to abide by rules made by these organisations. The difference is when we leave we will have no say in EU rules but will still have to abide by them if we want access to their markets.

We gain nothing and lose much.

Life before the EU was life before the EU - forty years ago.

Using it as a comparison is just foolish.

Freedom from the EU.
Worth every penny it costs.
Why do you think the EU have not said if you want to go fine..
They have used us as a cash cow..
Now they are finding out we are not playing ball and they don't like it...
Let's hope our MPs find their balls and vote this down... About time they took notice of who employs them...

Oh Catherine your making far to much sense. Some posters will froth. Oh he we go, someone bringing up the Windrush Generation as some sort of gotcha.

{Why do you think the EU have not said if you want to go fine..}
When you get beyond the bollocks and posturing of the government, scientists and manufacturers across the EU value the COLLABORATION with many universities and other institutions.
If you think that the ERG and many other Tories have your best interests at heart, you are in for a bit of a shock.

I wish to God there was manufacturing worth caring about in the regions of the UK nobody, UK Government and EU included, give a fuck about.

Brexit will screw me over but kudos to catherine for answering the OP

Nissan in Sunderland, Vauxhall and JLR in Liverpool, JLR in Solihull, several pharma in Cheshire, Airbus in several parts of the NW. Feeder companies for all of these above are dotted around, representing possibly a couple of million workers overall.
Of course losing JIT delivery procedures will see most of them close over a few years as they will become uneconomic.
Business is global, the days of a little island being a 'powerhouse' are over. Rightly or wrongly having parity with EU workers is generally good. Dropping out of the EU would force wages down so UK workers would be competing head on with world labour rates, so you are in with the Chinese, Bangladeshis and other low wage economies.

We don't have a hostile environment, we are one of the most accepting societies in the world.

Oh he we go, someone bringing up the Windrush Generation as some sort of gotcha.

Since 2010, the Government has launched a new wave of attacks on the human rights of undocumented people in the UK through a set of policies known as the ‘hostile environment’.

These brutal policies prevent people from accessing housing, healthcare, education, work, bank accounts, benefits and even drivers’ licences. They were dreamt up by the “hostile environment working group” under the Coalition Government and are implemented primarily by the 2014 and 2016 Immigration Acts.

The hostile environment is a sprawling web of immigration controls embedded in the heart of our public services and communities. The Government requires employers, landlords, private sector workers, NHS staff and other public servants to check a person’s immigration status before they can offer them a job, housing, healthcare or other support. Landlords and employers can face fines and even criminal sanctions if they fail to do so.

Didn't even need to mention Windrush to prove the existence of the hostile environment.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/sites/default/files/HE%20web.pdf

The thing that is mummmy2017 you think it's worth every penny of your money but what about the people who are already poor? What about the people being slammed by Universal Credit? What about the people who will lose jobs? What about the people who don't have money to spare?

People with the least will lose most and while you may have money to spare and money you can afford to lose many others haven't.

You can throw your 'pennies' away but what about the people who can't?

It's funny how alot of arguments put forward are along the lines of "what about the poorest people?!"
When clearly no one gave a fuck before, which is partly why we've ended up in this situation in the first place.
EU migrants coming over and flooding the low paid low skill work market in your area so you can't find a job? can't say anything against that because then you'd be a dirty racist!!

Exactly no one gave a fuck so we got austerity. Austerity screwed over poor people many of whom voted leave in desperation as a cry for help because they believed the EU and foreigners were to blame.

This does not make the argument any less true. Leaving will hit the poorest hardest. People with the least will lose the most and no it will not be "worth every penny" to them.

Chaos capitalism, rich fucks like JRM and BJ want the country in a mess. Leavers are playing into the hands of the elite.

Yes that would be me
.. Poor about to go onto UC dreading it.
But I wanted things to chance
..
And so did millions more.