Westministenders: Passing the Buck

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There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

Rees mogg says turn it down....

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Guy Verhofstadt
Guy Verhofstadt
@guyverhofstadt
While I hope one day the UK will return, in the meantime this agreement will make a #Brexit possible, while maintaining a close relationship between the EU and UK, a protection of citizens rights and the avoidance of a hard Irish border.
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thanks Red

Art 132(1): [...] the Joint Committee may, before 1 July 2020, adopt a single decision extending the transition period up to [31 December 20XX]

That could be 2030 or whenever we next elect a govt capable of either going for Norway +++ (CU + passporting etc)
or Rejoin

So -
We leave the EU
We remain in the CU temporarily, no date agreed, we can’t leave without the EUs agreement
The EU will have more say over our laws/regulations than we do
There’s no solution for the Irish border on a long term basis so basically we’re no closer to an actual proper Brexit because that issue can’t actually be resolved?

Have I got that right?

Hell, it could be 2099, to make rejoin inevitable !

I always find it interesting which language Barnier uses in his press conference (and get pissed off that the translators talk over him when he's speaking in French ).

What is really interesting is that he swapped to English to talk about Ireland.

MissMalice I suspect we may never get out of the transition period - during which the entire UK remains in the SM + CU + agencies, flights etc - until we Rejoin or go for Norway +++

Thanks rtb

Struggling to keep up right now!

Expat rights

5 years legal residence to end of transition period gives the right to permanent residence
Partners and children under 21 can join them

Change in status, e.g. becoming economically inactive, pensioner etc does not affect right of residence
Absences of up to 5 years without losing permanent residence

DGRossetti posted this link at the end of the last thread. I think it deserves repeating on this one, just in case anyone missed it.
Well done, that lady, for taking the greedy, treacherous, contemptible little worm to task.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/dutch-mep-esther-de-lange-criticises-nigel-farage-over-brexit-1-5778648

Christopher Hopee@christopherhope* (Torygraph)

BREAKING One third of the Cabinet spoke out against the deal tonight at the five hour long meeting - 11 out of 29 ministers in attendance.
Definitely not unanimous approval for Theresa May's Brexit deal.

< depends who the 11 were, how many will now grudgingly accept the deal, how many will resign, how many will do neither - at this stage, May would probably plough on even if all 11 resigned >

Me too, smile
I can take EU - MEPs and veto, because I thought we usually used them badly anyway !

I expect the PM would always be seriously consulted over decisions taken at Heads of Govt meetings
and might retain the right that no treaty changes would affect the Uk without its consent

No Deal means being bent over a barrel in perpetuity by the ERG, Mogg, Redwood, Trump and all who follow them in later years

My eyes hurt... got to page 60 something skim reading and now

BigChoc they're just fascists deporting my schoolfriends right now.

There's nothing worth reading in that document.

Have to say, mood in the resistance is extremely good.

We've known this stuff for a little while now.

We see them.

Might be wise for others to take a clear look too.

ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

It is the best of the various options. We will have to see if Parliament will approve it. If DUP or Scots concerned about fish stop it I suspect they may find the alternatives worse; so it could be a risky business if they don't support it.

See also twitter.com/alexebarker/status/1062800981837168640?s=19

Raphael Hogarth @raphael_hogarth
Wow. Article 14(4) of the backstop is... something. Seems to say: ECJ and European Commission to have jurisdiction in the UK in respect of the EU customs code, technical regulations, VAT and excise, agriculture and the environment, single electricity market and state aid.

slightly amazed we have conceded this

Chris Hanretty @ chrishanretty
UK courts continue to use preliminary reference procedure?

Raphael Hogarth @raphael_hogarth
Yes. That's Article 267 TFEU, referenced at the end.

Chris Hanretty @ chrishanretty
That is surprising, and sets up two categories of EU law - continuing persuasive force and still binding

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
I've found 63 references to the European Court of Justice in the Withdrawal Agreement.

Jim Pickard @pickardje
Straight after the cabinet meeting Philip Hammond, chancellor and Greg Clark, business secretary held a conference call briefing with up to 200 business figures. Hammond thanked the executives for their help in publicising what he called the “horrific” impact of a no deal Brexit.

That is surprising, and sets up two categories of EU law - continuing persuasive force and still binding

Well duh.

Just when you think engish men are peak stupid, they just get a little bit stupidder.

Laura Hughes @laurakHughes
Officials close to Cabinet say Esther McVey is “on the brink” of resigning. They added that she was “shouted down” by the Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill after demanding Cabinet voted on the deal.