Westministenders: Passing the Buck

[RedToothBrush]

There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

I'm ploughing my way through it at the moment. ..it's fine to understand. You just need to skim over the bits that set out the context and look at the actual agreed bits.

Someone on Twitter pointed out that the ERG don't have much faith in their technical solutions to the border after all, as this backstop is only in place until the solution is sorted. If they know the tech solution is thete, then why are they so bothered?

I'm letting the dust settle Kenn.

In all honesty I'm not sure it's worth attempting to read if the dominoes of a leadership challenge are going to fall first.

I'm not optimistic

So labour have formally confirmed they will vote it down. We're crashing out aren't we...

Yep...

I actually feel sick

We're crashing out aren't we...

It's not the only alternative to the deal, nor the most likely.

Mr Vara's no loss. He clearly had very limited understanding.

He said "The Agreement put forward however, does not do that as it leaves the UK in a half-way house with no limit on when we will finally be a sovereign nation."

How many more times does it need explaining? We were a bloody sovereign nation all along.

We just agreed to delegate some food standards, environmental and employment regs for the sake of trade. Jeez- it's not difficult!

DH last night: so there's a deal. See I was right and you were wrong.

Me: Er hang on a second, you are getting ahead of yourself there. She's got to get it through parliament yet. And she can't

Dh: but I told you we'd get a deal.

Me: face-palm

Has JC spoken- maybe he'll allow a free vote!

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A second referendum is political suicide though. It won't happen.

Plus what if it does and the result doesn't change?

A free vote is traditionally allowed on ethical issues that are seen as a matter of conscience.

Is membership of a body that was brought in to entwine trading relationships so that war was never repeated, an ethical issue?

A crash out is political suicide.
So is this deal.

Sam Coates Times @samcoatestimes
Matt Hancock being asked about this comment we’re reporting he made to cabinet yesterday

The ERG are actively trying to force a situation where the health minister can not guarantee no one will die.

Name an outcome which isn't political suicide to the Conservative Party.

Most outcomes are a suicide anyway, regardless of the party because all of the solutions are making such a huge portion of the population unhappy.

I’d love to see someone, anyone, proposing something that isn’t going to split the country even more.
And it’s No Deal, this Deal or a second referendum (which wouod leave us with No Deal, this deal or remaining...)

Tbh, I think that, as a country we should just swallow it up.
It’s this deal or a huge crisis with No Deal.

That would give us time to actually do what is needed. Look after the country itself. Review the democratic system as it’s clearly failing right, left and centre. Clear up the air from all the scandals of lying, overspending etc etc.
Then and only then the U.K. will be able to actually plan its future in a logical way.

Mathanxiety - I was going to include contempt for international treaties as well hatred of human rights (the EHCR) but each cumulative paragraph was getting longer and I needed to get to bed

It's very a bit like Niemoller's "First they came for.......then they came for me"warning

Threads like this help us to be aware of such creeping evil and to see that there are still good people around and who are scared and who want to stop this awfulness happening.

Let's not fight because some people are more scared - maybe because they have a right to be, given where they are coming from That's what evil does: divide and, not even conquer, just steamroller over

We need all these voices, trying to stop us sleepwalking into destruction. Just because what they say is uncomfortable, what they describe is not what we are, does not make it any less likely that that is what is happening in our society as a whole

I've not let that vassalage poster shut me up because I know I have never posted "hatred of the English" (In fact, I see it as a compliment, as I must have touched a nerve - and I have my suspicions that I have had run-ins with him or her before ).

We need to encourage all the voices warning about the creeping madness - even if some of what they say is uncomfortable.

Also worth remembering that the Remain option of cancelling Brexit hasn’t been confirmed yet.
There are a lot of hopes build in the idea that we can just forget about the last two years and go back to how it was.
Except we dint know if we can....

Except we dint know if we can....

Our Prime Minister seems to think that it's an option...

Name an outcome which isn't political suicide to the Conservative Party.

If Brexit kills the Conservative party - as we know it, anyway - is it a price worth paying for a better future for the UK ?

If there a choice between the UK suffering, or the Tory party suffering, then I know which I'd choose.

I'm still double-daring the ERG to do anything but carp.