Westministenders: Passing the Buck

[RedToothBrush]

There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon
Not long off call with PM. She tried to tell me Scotland’s ‘distinctive’ interests had been protected. I pointed out that there isn’t a single mention of Scotland in the agreement, that it disregards our interests, and puts Scotland at a serious competitive disadvantage.

There are 30 references to Gibraltar apparently.

re Peter Foster
Pure spin, imo to convince Brexiters

The EU have the UK locked into a level playing field - e.g. no future US FTA possible - but locked out of EU decisions on that field
Locked into an NI backstop until the magic tech appears ... or the whole UK joins the SM

Evans is worth watching because of her links... To the Policy Exchange, Conservative Party policy making, her husband (former Fallon SpAd) and Michael Gove (she headed the New Schools Network when Gove was Education Secretary)

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/14/not-compromise-capitulation-prime-minister/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_ArlC4r5Cf2p4
This is not a compromise - it's a capitulation by our Prime Minister
Nick Timothy

Thats the ERG, the DUP, Chris Grayling and Nick Timothy who hate the agreement.

This could be Withdrawal Agreement Bingo. I just need a Farage and a Hoey to get a full line.

What does "shouted down" actually mean in this context? People actually shouting, or people forcefully saying "no, that's wrong, there's no point discussing that right now we need to talk about other stuff)?

It is fascism.

You don't present a crumby 500 page document with 12 hours notice on pain of starvation and medicine shortages in a democracy.

I don't understand collusion.

But I suppose some people have a relaxed attitude to morality.

I've certainly seen that with the antisemitic sexist men who post around here.

twitter.com/alexebarker/status/1062797355777437696
Heres a thread of someone going through the deal bit by bit.

Looks "softish" Brexit:

The "level playing field" the EU demanded - in return for letting the Uk be in a CU with it -
has many elements of the SM and rules out the US FTA

Still not Barnier's Norway +++ that I wanted,
but far better than Canada +++
and vastly better than No Deal with its possible shortages of essential meds and food

My hopes for positive change lie in a long transition ... if we ever get that far

The Express seem to be going along with May's selling of it.

No woman That is not fascism

Now that there is a technically agreed text, if it gets voted down by Parliament and in the chaos/automatic operation of law, etc., we end up exiting with no deal on 29 March, is this something that we can come back to and agree quickly after the no-deal ramifications hit and it becomes blatently obvious we need something, and need it asap? Is this now in effect a useful 'here's one I prepared earlier' deal? Or would it not work like that after A50 has expired?

Yup, the Express were supportive yesterday too

Strange, becauser I had them down as batshit Ultras
maybe the proprietors decided it's time to get serious, even if it pisses off some readers

chickens If we vote it down, even if we crash out with No Deal, it would be difficult to sign the exact document

Also, the UK would soon be on its knees begging for a deal.
So the EU might well use its much stronger negotiating position to demand Norway +++ which is what it really wants

Or we might take a detour into the Weimar Republic ... and what followed

Robert Pestonn@Peston*

Tory Brexiters become angrier and angrier as they wade through 585 pages of the Withdrawal Agreement. “This is a worse capitulation than we feared” said one.
They tell me there will be enough letters in with Brady of ‘22 C’ttee by lunch tomorrow to force vote of confidence!
11:17 PM · Nov 14, 2018

The EU have the UK locked into a level playing field - e.g. no future US FTA possible - but locked out of EU decisions on that field
Locked into an NI backstop until the magic tech appears ... or the whole UK joins the SM

Put that way, it sounds the best option out of a range of bad ones. No easy sell off of the NHS to the USA in return for chlorine washed chicken and hormone laden beef, with a nice side of rat droppings in our flour. And we get rid of Farage and Co.

"Notwithstanding Article 126, the Joint Committee may, before 1 July 2020, adopt a single decision extending the transition period up to [31 December 20XX]."

The plan is clearly to wait for all the old people who voted for Brexit to die.

I can think of worse plans!

No woman That is not fascism
They have total executive control, courtesy of the Withdrawal Act.
They control the media.
They have assassinated one opponent that we know of, others have been tortured and threatened.
They have detention camps.
80 000 are having to regularly report to the HO.
Citizens are being made 'illegal': Wives and mums mostly.
They have attacked our judiciary.

It is fascism.
Marks and Sparks is still open.
Bake off or whatever the cake crap it is is still on.

It is fascism,

The 1932 bit.

Fact is they want crash out so our arguments are academic anyway.

The plan is clearly to wait for all the old people who voted for Brexit to die.
I must say that I'm not completely against this idea.

The Express got bought out by the Mirror in Feb.

Dacre is no longer editor of the Mail as of this month.

Things have changed.

The Torygraph is still the only newspaper I suspect that is completely wedded to Brexit.

The Sun is a mixed bag.

We have no functioning NHS, transport sysem, legal system or education system.

Yes we are in a bad place but this type of hyperbole does no one any favours.

Bold fail. Quote from woman

Anyone notice that TM announced that no brexit is part of the 'offer'?
She said it. bbc aren't reporting it, what with the fascism and all.

It was picked up on newsnight.