Any Brexiters who have changed your minds....?

[onlyconnect]

If you voted Brexit but would now like to remain, could you call loudly for a second referendum please?
I'm a remainer and see the obvious problems with remainers asking for a second referendum but if former Brexiters were to ask, it would have legitimacy surely.

I asked my MP but he refused to support a second referendum

I voted remain but I know an awful lot of people who regret they voted leave.

We need to have a second referendum.

I don't know anyone who says they regret voting Leave. I just hope they are all doing what the Americans call "doubling down" for show. And that the reality is they are prepared to think more rationally.

Always on these threads we get posters saying they know tons of leave voters who regret it blah blah..... Never hear from the actual leavers 🤔

It's a hard thing to admit though, isn't it? But I do think Leavers were lied to so repeatedly that there's no shame in saying actually, if I'd known then what I know now I'd have voted differently.

The reality though is that people are largely sticking to their original decision - despite the marches and the calls for a second referendum, polling shows that there's only a small change - from 48/52 to 52/48. I did find one September poll saying 54/46 - but there's still not a lot in it - which actually really surprises me (although I suspect my surprise is caused by the social media bubble I live in).

I suspect that the flip from 52/48 to 48/52 can be mostly explained by those people who couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016 wishing they had, plus the 1.5 million kids who were 16 or 17 in 2016 now having a vote.

My mother and stepfather voted leave and would now vote remain. They've woken up to the fact they were lied to and I'm sure they're not the only ones. It's the leavers who can't admit they were wrong who are shouting the loudest, though.

I was thinking how can anyway still be pro brexit seeing the total mess that is currently on offer. Then I spoke to some older relatives and they just are still spouting the same old crap, and believe that 'the media' are stirring, telling lies and the government are just making it difficult on purpose. 😔🤦‍♀️

I think some of what's going on now regarding Brexit just confirms what many leavers thought about the EU and British politicians before they voted. I can see why even this mess won't be changing all their minds. There must however be some who have changed and I really wish they would demand a second referendum. The arguments against a second referendum start to crumble if leavers are the ones asking.

I didn't vote (cause I can't vote in the UK but would have voted to remain), but I don't know anyone who would change their mind after they voted to leave. I feel like they feel even stronger due to this whole mess.

I personally don't think this should have been a referendum in the first place. Same as NATO membership shouldn't be a referendum in my home country. Such complex decisions that causes an avanalnce of other decision shouldn't be put into people's hands. I don't think there should be another referendum since there already was a vote. If there was to be another it shouldn't be until there is a deal and people would know what they are voting for

Many voted leave because they thought it would make things better - less money to the EU= more money for the NHS, less immigration = less pressure on housing, education, healthcare, less EU regulation = businesses could flourish. In reality leaving the EU will mean we will all be worse off and will not see the benefits for about 50 years according to Brexiter JRM.

Now that we know more about leaving than we did then, people deserve to have the full facts before they and their children are committed to something so disastrous.

My DH votes remain but would now vote leave. He feels the EU is being dictatorial and totally intransigent.

I totally disagree so we just don’t talk about it.

I do wonder if there would be more who feel the way he does as well as those who voted leave and would now vote remain.

The whole thing is a total unmitigated disaster. Based on lies and half truths and pie in the sky ideas with no plans or awareness of how it would affect Ireland. And them we have the utter stupidity of May getting into bed with the DUP.

Apparently some in Westminster are blaming Leo Varadkar on not giving in on the border issue. Seriously. You couldn’t make it up. They really have no clue. None. Not a brain between them.

Funny all these remainers who apparently know loads of leavers that have changed their mind. Of course you do.

I voted leave, I have not changed my mind.

Funny all these remainers who apparently know loads of leavers that have changed their mind

Well, i don't, the closest i ve got to that was a "there is a lot more to leaving than i thought" from my cousin (Leave)
TBF none of the numerous leavers i know discuss it at all now, so who knows what they think?

The reasons for a (potential) swing to remain are irrelevant, there are always reasons in any GE why the incumbent party losses or gains seats, new voters become eligible and old ones die and of course in any democracy anyone can change their mind.

Although I think the UK should be part of the EU and should never have started this exercise, I now think it should leave and possibly rejoin after a while.
The UK (probably more the English than the rest) mentality of 'we are far superior' with the hangover from the imperialist days is not conducive at a political level to the greatest harmony in Europe.
Thus the UK needs to be out in the cold in it's pants to get a proper sense of world reality. In areas such as science, where collaboration with others has produced excellent work, the UK is up with the best. This is being let down by too many politicians and whichever 'class' are still under the illusion that the UK has an empire which was largely gained by brutal means, at a time when slaughtering whole villages of people was 'permissible'.
It is time to win 'hearts and minds'.

Thus the UK needs to be out in the cold in it's pants to get a proper sense of world reality.

I agree. It’s just such a shame so many people will have to suffer for us to get to this point.

Will the 'we won, get over it' slogan keep them warm and fed?
We have been assured all the leavers/Brexiteers knew exactly what they wanted and voted for.

@onlyconnect - I think politicians are shit and incompetent. I just don't think throwing myself and my family off a cliff is the solution.

Most of my family voted leave, some because of the usual foreigner nonsense, others for more considered reasons.
They would now vote remain due to being scared shitless by the possibility of no food or meds. Mays government hasn't exactly inspired confidence either.
I feel like LeClerc, I think a good proportion of leave voters need to be caught out in the cold with their kegs down, to really drum reality in. And also politicians need their comeuppance which I feel will be delivered once the shitshow has been fully realised.

Too many people have seen the black and white Sunday film version of WWII Home Front and didn't take the opportunity to actually speak to people who lived through it as adults. Overwhelming majority are dead. They were the generation that voted for us to stay in the Common Market.

I’m in a mainly leave area and am starting to hear tentative conversation about it being a mistake. My hairdresser randomly started telling me about what a mug she felt and how she really thought it would mean more money for the NHS. It felt like a really personal conversation to have.

I know a handful of leavers. Around the referendum time they were posting the leave lies on fb that they believed were true.
Now only two of them are still posting their rubbish. The others are strangely quiet and to me that speaks volumes.

{My hairdresser randomly started telling me about what a mug she felt and how she really thought it would mean more money for the NHS}
The daft thing is that the chancellor could have jiggled the piggybank and said 'oh look, there was £350 million a week under the sofa so I spent it on the NHS' over 2 years ago, and IF it had produced a noticeable improvement in NHS service, many would have been happy. In fact proper targetting of funds may actually need less of a spend but that is conjecture. No one really KNOWS what the government actually spends money on and it has always had a sovereign right to reprioritise anyway.

They admitted the day after the vote that the £350 million promised to NHS wasn’t entirely true So many people voted on this basis alone and have been very badly let down.

Thus the UK needs to be out in the cold in it's pants to get a proper sense of world reality.

That’s my view. But it would take a pretty hard Brexit and I fear the pain that will result.