Any Brexiters who have changed your minds....?

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If you voted Brexit but would now like to remain, could you call loudly for a second referendum please?
I'm a remainer and see the obvious problems with remainers asking for a second referendum but if former Brexiters were to ask, it would have legitimacy surely.

Why should we leave at all?

About 26% of the population voted Leave in 2016. Many of them believed the lies - like the lie on the bus. None of them had any understanding of the likely consequenses of leaving.

None of them voted to be poorer or to become citizens of a country which was the laughing stock of the world - a once great country brought so low by the bonkers brexiters who think they can profit when we all go bust.

The UK needs to leave to 'prove' what a foolish idea it is.
If at this stage the UK revokes and stays in the 'we are better than the EU' mentality will prevail and will forever be a pain in the ar$3.
Besides it will give the Tories a chance to demonstrate how brilliant they are at leading.
Cheered on by the Brexiteers who are desperate to leave, nothing can go wrong.
The Spanish President is one of many who have said the UK would be welcome to rejoin but for now should leave.

If we were to leave then apply to rejoin we could never enjoy the terrific terms we currently have - not in the Euro, nor in Schengen and having a rebate which we could never expect again.

We had a sweet deal. We'll never get a new one as good.

If we were to leave then apply to rejoin we could never enjoy the terrific terms we currently have

True - but losing those terms could be our deserved punishment.

The UK needs to leave to 'prove' what a foolish idea it is

I wish this were true, I fear a catastrophic crash out Brexit will just make Leavers even more angry. There will be no reflection of their own hand in this, no questioning that they might have been duped or wrong. They will just blame the EU for 'punishing' us (this is already wildly used) or blame foreigners or Muslims. I would urge posters to follow some of the Leave groups online, the race hatred is appalling and these people are winning, we are in scary, scary times. Rumour has it that UKIP MEPs are already celebrating a crash out, I'd like to think this isn't true but I wouldn't like to put a % chance on a crash out.

The UK is forcing the EU to shell out several billion to 'accommodate' the UK's wish for blue passports. A fair amount of this has been spent preparing (in the EU) while the UK Gov are STILL farting about.
As part of the UK's 'atonement' for being so unpleasant it should lose the rebates. Schengen and use of the Euro are not so important.
The EU, although largely incredulous at the decision are accepting that the UK is leaving. Major businesses are just waiting for the nod to simply go.
Had the UK stated immediately after the vote in 2016 that they would like to leave and then negotiated HOW to leave, including a watertight plan for the NI border, then it would have been possible.
Those who voted to leave need to own this disaster, as well as Cameron, May and the rest.

At some point you have to pit the danger of Brexiteers being pissed off and angry or the Remainers and a significant amount of the EU being pissed off and angry. The Dutch have effectively been 'taxed' around £400 per person to fund infrastructure to accommodate the UK leaving. They didn't as for this. Would you be prepared to give £400 a year to Greece as a 'whip round' to help their economy? I don't mean 'give' voluntarily, but have it taken out of your wage packet by force.

No Yaralie. Leave won because they had the majority. Members of the population who weren’t eligible to vote or who were eligible but couldn’t be bothered are irrelevant.

I don’t know anyone who voted leave and now regrets it.

My DH and I used to be very pro EU but made an informed decision to vote leave after watching the EU for years. This decision was formed over many years. We didn’t listen to any lies, of which there many on both sides.

Do you think the perceived benefits you based your decision on will come to fruition?

Imissgmichael
When a significant chunk of manufacturing and the financial services leave in the new year, and a few hundred thousand loose their jobs, where is the money coming from to 'regenerate' the UK?
Bear in mind, trade deals take around 10 years to negotiate.

I’m sure most of those emailing their MP’s saying they regret their leave vote actually voted remain.
Of all the people I know who voted leave not one regrets it. But some remainers I know would now vote leave!

I'm sure most of those emailing their MPs saying they regret their leave vote, actually voted leave and are now panicking.
Of all the people I know who voted leave, around half now regret it. No remainers I know would now vote leave!

I voted Leave and don't regret it a single bit. I know many Leave voters and not a single one of them has changed their mind, unlike some of the Remain voters I know.
Not a single Leave voter I know even gave an iota of credence to the £350m for the NHS and none of them voted to get the foreigners out. Indeed some of them (including me) have foreign spouses.
The most uninformed and generally ignorant voters that I know are all Remainers, for example the other night in the pub talking to a Remainer friend, I was informed that investment is "flowing out of the country". I pointed out that in the first half of 2018, UK inward FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) was £65 billion (and has been increasing since the referendum), second only to China with 25 or the EU27 nations not even achieving 1/3rd of the UK inward investment, only Holland (£40Bn) and Spain (£30bn) coming anyway near (if you can call ~50-60% near). He told me that I was lying. I told him to go to the www.ons.gov website and check the facts. I doubt he will.

ohthegoats - the only people panicking are Remain voters. Leave voters are not given to panicking about the sky falling in.

So you look at the country at the moment and don't regret anything?

You look at the shambolic mess our country is in and you think "excellent"?

We couldn't negotiate our way out of a paper bag, the country effectively has no government. The UN tells us poverty is rife and we should be ashamed but we do nothing because... Brexit!

You look at the mess your vote has made and it will only get worse and you think "well done me".

Good god.

Who would think the sky would fall in and the country would become an ungovernable mess, with no clear leader and no way forward.

Who would think anything that stupid

Ken Dodd: people aren't suddenly going to be called up

"Actually somebody I know voted Leave because she believe there would be an EU army with conscription."

Are you aware that many EU countries, e.g. France, Germany had National Service until very recently? Many of my foreign friends at university had done theirs already whilst others had to complete it post-uni.

Are you also aware that many EU countries had fascist, yes actual fascist, governments up till the 1970s/80s e.g. Spain, Portugal?

An EU army is coming and I can tell you what will happen is that foreign troops will be stationed within each EU country. Why? All the better to suppress the local populations since local troops may not like the idea.

Remainers, you did not know what you were voting for.

MousseMoose: *"So you look at the country at the moment and don't regret anything?

You look at the shambolic mess our country is in and you think "excellent"?

We couldn't negotiate our way out of a paper bag, the country effectively has no government. The UN tells us poverty is rife and we should be ashamed but we do nothing because... Brexit!"*

What I see is a Remainer PM and MPs, aided and abetted by the Civil Service and ReMainstream Media doing their best to utter screw negotiations so badly and generally wreck the whole process in order to engineer an overturning of the Leave vote.

As for the UN, they can sod off and go look at a genuninely poor country, there's plenty of destitute people in properly poor countries. Trying to claim that anyone in this country is living in Third World conditions is ludicrous.

Some EU countries like Denmark still have national service - what are you implying about the Danes?

Yes I am more than aware that EU countries had facist governments, and some had communist ones and now they all work together - isn't the EU brilliant?

An EU army is coming stationed in every country - what an absolute load of hyperbolic nonsense. If you are lurking and don't know which side to take read this rubbish and weep.

The country is in a total ungovernable mess to avoid being taken over by an
EU army. Good fucking grief. People believe this and can still vote.

"Oh don't imply Brexit voters are stupid". We don't have to imply it just read the nonsense they post.

The UN responded directly to the "go to a poor country" point. The whole point is we are a rich country and yet people live in poverty. The vote for Brexit was a cry against austerity.

Yet another of Brexit is a victim cry. Brexit is a victim of a PM committed to making it work. Brexit is a victim of the EU. Brexit is a victim of this, that and the other.

You won. Grow up and stop complaining. TM put Brexiters in charge and they fucked it up. You had your chance and you made a mess because it is an illogical nonsense of an issue.

Intellectually vacuous bollocks.

Oh stop picking on me. Oh stop saying I'm stupid. It's his fault or her fault or their fault.

No it's your fault for voting for this mess.

1tisILeClerc: The Dutch have effectively been 'taxed' around £400 per person to fund infrastructure to accommodate the UK leaving. They didn't as for this. Would you be prepared to give £400 a year to Greece as a 'whip round' to help their economy? I don't mean 'give' voluntarily, but have it taken out of your wage packet by force.
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The UK has been taxed £500Bn in fees since joining the EEC/EU.

Every year we are taxed a further £4Bn or so in import tariffs which make our imports more expensive and this money goes direct to the EU coffers.

Added to which you can include paying large fees to run a large goods (which is a strength of Germany, Holland etc) trade deficit with the EU (something in the region of £90Bn a year. So we pay the EU for the privilege of them selling things to us.

Meanwhile the single market in services (which is our strength) is no such thing. France and Germany (amongst others) have repeatedly sabotaged (good French word that) efforts to open up the market in services. Thus our comparative advantage in services is negated.

It's all good though since it pays for tax-free salaries and pensions for EU employees (of which very few are British). These EU employees are also immune from prosecution with regards to any work they have carried out for the EU. Sounds all fine and dandy to me. What do you think?

For the love of Christ I just cannot see why Remainers love this situation so much. EU membership is economically very seriously detrimental to the prosperity of the UK.

Oh, just to add, yes I would happily pay £400 to get out of the EU. It would be a bargain.

MousseMoose: "TM put Brexiters in charge and the f**ked it up."

No. TM put a couple of Brexiters in a department that was obstensibly in charge of Brexit whilst, setting up, in secret, a department made of of Remainers/Civil Servants who were actually running things.
She is not called Treason May for nothing.

MousseMoose - Where have I said anyone is picking on me? Try to listen and respond to what is actually said rather than attacking your straw men.

"If we were to leave then apply to rejoin we could never enjoy the terrific terms we currently have - not in the Euro, nor in Schengen and having a rebate which we could never expect again."

Not being in the Euro is terrific? Strange then that all the 'experts' were telling us how bad it would be if we didn't join in the early 90s.

The rebate? Would that be the same rebate (well the 60% of it that's left) that Tony Blair gave away 40% of in return for reform of the CAP. Guess what? Other EU countries took the money and did nothing, nothing at all, to reform the CAP. I guess that's what you call reforming the EU from within. Because that's worked out so well.