Westministenders: Game Over?

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May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

An excellent article from the Irish times that sums up the incompetency of the government: www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/brexit-shows-that-idiots-and-incompetents-are-in-charge-in-the-uk-1.3693980?mode=amp

"The previous Brexit secretary David Davis kept to a more familiar script when he (quite correctly) complained that Britain has adopted rubbish negotiating tactics ever since the referendum. It matters not one jot that he was until very recently in charge of those negotiations. Davis said that Brexit would be progressing smoothly if only he had been in charge. You couldn’t make it up."

We are not just quitting the EU.

Today’s news is that we apparently want to quit UNESCO.

The UK (or rather its government) at the moment seems to be opposed to organisations that try to encourage peace through cooperation and collaboration.

The EU is one. UNESCO is another.

So what happened to the new Global manufacturing Powerhouse that the UK was going to be?
Is anyone else beginning to feel a bit 'let down' by this government?

The UK is retreating from the world. What power and influence it has it wants to chuck away because Nigel from Thanet doesn't like foreigners.

If (and it's a big if!) Theresa May gets her cabinet to agree on a deal this week when would the vote in Parliament be ? Would it be before the next summit with the EU ?

Why Toupee Man Neil has dropped his handbag.

Now here's an equation:

Membership of EU. Cost? 0.7% GDP. Benefits to us? Immense, unrestricted access to $500 trillion market.

Membership of UNESCO. Cost? Also 0.7% GDP. Benefits to us? Other than a moral, compassionate world standing are nil.

Perhaps we can leave one and not the other?

We seem to dislike anything which includes United or Union in the title, including ourselves it would seem.

How long before we follow the US out of the United Nations Human Rights Council?

@OwenSmith_MP
David Lidington, the Deputy Prime Minister, has just conceded on national radio that our country will definitely be made poorer by Brexit - but that we’re going to do it anyway. Future historians will marvel at our collective madness.

UN reporting right now on how this regime is starving the poor; mainly women and children. lonely

* ...our country will definitely be made poorer by Brexit - but that we’re going to do it anyway.*

But as my friend's Leave campaigning Mum says from her perspective " ..it's not all about the money".

Do you have links for us leaving UNESCO?

@lonelyplanetmum

Most (not all) Leavers I know don't care about the economy, they just care about getting immigrants out. I think Aaron Banks was spot on saying Leavers don't care about facts, they care about feelings. I don't think this has changed.

{UN reporting right now on how this regime is starving the poor; mainly women and children. lonely}
And this is with a woman in charge, who is having negotiations be made more tricky by another woman.
The majority of those in the car manufacturing industry that are likely to lose their jobs are men.

Sam Coates Times @samcoatestimes
Times Scoop

Penny Mordaunt tells cabinet colleagues she wants to end funding Unesco, the UN cultural and education body

- wants to end £11.1m annual funding at end of next year

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/314ec542-e6bb-11e8-a9c0-ffbf0f2a8629
Mordaunt follows Trump and calls for UK to quit Unesco

In a blistering response to the Times scoop about Unesco, ⁦*@EmilyThornberry*⁩ said tonight:

Here is the response to The Times story from Dfid.

They’re nothing here - it’s fair to say Penny Mordaunt’s suggestion has not been agreed and is not gvt policy. But the statement doesn’t address the story - that Mordaunt has told colleagues she wants change

Times scoop on Unesco

FCO anger at Mordaunt move

A month ago the U.K. ambassador to
Unesco told the body that:
- it’s finances are on a “sounder footing”
- political tensions de-escalated
- the U.K. believes there is “renewed
optimism” re Unesco

Now same gvt looking to defund

Times Unesco scoop ...

Theresa May has not changed her view that Unesco should continue to get UK support

So is Penny Mordaunt playing into a culture war by wanting to defund Unesco, long hated by the right in the UK and US?🤔

FCO said last month management of Unesco improving

It's all a precursor to leaving the un. What happened after the league of nations dissolved?

If the U.K. is proposing to leave UNESCO then I think it will be about perceived interference about maintaining world heritage status against promoting development. There have been issues in Liverpoool and Cornwall .
And others too I think.
I disagree that these bring 0 % to the economy. They are huge for the tourist industry.

Read some Dworkin LeClerc

Most (not all) Leavers I know don't care about the economy, they just care about getting immigrants out.

Yes that's the case with the ones I know too Kenn. It can't be all though.

There is a pattern here-Trump quit the UN Human rights council bizarrely calling it a cesspool.

JML media shopping channel group fined because it’s director failed to disclose political affiliations:
www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018/11/12/jml-media-fined-over-bosss-political-funding/

The ECHR will be mentioned by a leading right wing politician in

3 - 2 - 1

I wonder if Ladbrokes would run a book on the next MP to say we should leave it.

I think the PM was saying she wants out of ECHR a couple of years ago, after the referendum, that was one of the aims early on. It was even mentioned in the referendum campaign, I think it was only dropped after it dawned on people it was nothing to do with the EU. As I understand it there are human rights courts at the U.N. (Is this right?) We are currently barred from access to it because we can access out of country justice at ECHR if we leave this I would think the U.N. courts open up?

On Leave EU sites ECHR is much hated, in fact human rights are hated. Teresa May has history with ECHR, I don't think she's a fan either.

and MN is sensitive to any whiff of racism atm.

Only if you're not Irish, it seems ....

On Leave EU sites ECHR is much hated, in fact human rights are hated.

Makes it easier to hate humans ...

Makes it easier to hate humans ...

Only two days ago people were sporting red poppies, parading and taking about the horrors of war. Yet they don't seem to be able to make a connection - treating people as other, is what helps to cause wars.