Westministenders: Game Over?

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May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

David Lidington also quotedbin the Guardian as saying
It has got to be a deal that works in terms of feeling we can deliver on the referendum result

Ah... the feelz again.

Edwin Haywood
@UKdomainnames

A painstakingly researched thread of 48 tweets listing the effects of Brexit on various business, all with links. (Hope I’ve linked correctly!)

twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1061554026284834817?s=21

So if Teresa capitulates and relents to a people's vote would there be a section B. Would you like to step down from UNESCO and the ECHR?

What about others for example World Health Organization,
World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
; World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
; World Organization of the Scout Movement

Which international organisations do we accept and which do we reject. It's getting very confusing.

There's a World Tourism Organisation we are signed up to.

I think we should vote to relinquish membership of that one. I remember when TM made that verbal faux pas and said she wanted us to lead the world in the prevention of tourism! ( She meant terrorism).

It's so depressing to see all these firms leaving now, and we haven't left the EU yet, but have had a government messing around for two and half years, so not being able to provide certainty. Yet we still have Leavers going on about how it hasn't happened yet and how it will be alright..... I despair.

So May is copying Trump in not wanting to hear about bad news (created by her). Apparently Trump gets a lackey to provide him with the good news only. Makes it easier to get on with what you want to do, regardless of the inconvenient consequences.
I would give a lot to be a fly perched on T May's head. Surely someone must be bugging her, and could leak us some info?

Who'd have predicted that living in a high information society would mean so many people being pig-ignorant, but thinking that they're not because they read stuff online, but only the stuff that tells them what they want to hear.

UK govt spending madly on 5 QCs (!) to Supreme Court, in last ditch effort to stop the A50 case being heard by the ECJ

Jo Maugham QCC @JolyonMaugham*
The Government has just told us it is going to try and persuade the Supreme Court to give it permission to appeal against the decision of the Inner House referring to the European Court the question whether the UK can cancel Article 50.
10:56 AM · Nov 12, 2018
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It's a weird application to make given the law,
it's weird to have made it so late,
it's weird to make it with five QCs
but I think the Supreme Court is perfectly able to deal with these points.
...
Regrettably, Government can spend limitless amounts of your money keeping Parliament in the dark.
Our resources, after at least eleven hearings, are modest.
If you want to keep this option open for Parliament please help us here:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/strengthening/

In the olden days to find things out you might go to a library and have to search for what you wanted to know. You would develop a technique to sift out the things you really want and as much was 'peer reviewed' there would be less 'transient' crap.
Now, an online search can pull up all manner of stuff but the basic knowledge has gone to sift out truth from lies.

Who'd have predicted that living in a high information society would mean so many people being pig-ignorant, but thinking that they're not because they read stuff online, but only the stuff that tells them what they want to hear.

In the past, keeping people ignorant - first by making sure they couldn't read - was the preferred tool of dictators.

Then some smart-arse do-gooders turned up, and despite all sorts of threats (read up what happened to people that taught slaves to read and write) the lower classes had access to the most powerful tool of all - education.

For a while they used this tool wisely. Until those in power realised all they needed to do was flood the world with shite, and reduce the value of education to the square-root of fuck all.

Ladies and gentleman, welcome to Britain. Please remain seated with your seatbelts fastened until the sign goes out. We hope you enjoyed your journey back in time, and will chose BrexitAir for your next trip.

Education doesn't save people though. The vast majority in Parliament have had many years of education, in many cases, expensive private ones. It hasn't stopped them behaving like complete idiots.

Education doesn't save people though.

Well, no need to spend a fortune on it then.

Oh, hang on ....

Well, no need to spend a fortune on it then.

Indeed Cameron's mother is still alive, as is BoJo's father. They should be asking Eton for a refund! The local comprehensive would have done as good or better job.

The Government has just told us it is going to try and persuade the Supreme Court to give it permission to appeal against the decision of the Inner House referring to the European Court the question whether the UK can cancel Article 50.

If the Government is so desperate to prevent the ECJ ruling on whether article 50 can be revoked then we must presume they would definitely not try to revoke article 50 even if they could?

So we are definitely getting no deal crash out in March then? As TM either won't get a deal she can agree with the EU, or if she does, won't get it through Parliament.

Unless she loses a Commons vote of confidence and is forced to call a GE?

Sorry, I'm a long time lurker trying to make sense of all this.

Education doesn't save people though. The vast majority in Parliament have had many years of education, in many cases, expensive private ones. It hasn't stopped them behaving like complete idiots.

Did you see the thread in AIBU about a science teacher who "thinks the moon landings were a hoax" ?

Sentinel on RNorth's blog is reportedly a judge (poss retired)

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87053

"I am reliably informed that May, shortly after she became PM, received legal advice that Art 50 could be unilaterally revoked,

provided the withdrawal agreement had not come into effect,
and we would return to the status quo ante.

There is a risk that the CJEU might hold otherwise - e.g. European Council must consent (qmv or unanimous?)
&/or UK pay for Brexit expenses incurred by EU27"

Ireland / UK: Common Travel Area 'may need new treaty' after Brexit

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/common-travel-area-may-need-new-treaty-after-brexit-1.3695611?mode=amp

Long-standing freedom of travel and residency arrangements between Ireland and the UK are “written in sand”
and may need a separate Anglo-Irish treaty after Brexitt^,
a group of academic lawyers has warned.

The terms of the Common Travel Area – in existence for almost a century – are “much more limited than is often believed,”
new research to be presented today to a joint human rights committee set up under the 1998 Belfast Agreement states.

"I am reliably informed that May, shortly after she became PM, received legal advice that Art 50 could be unilaterally revoked,

So what is May's game then? Appeasing the ERG is more important even than saving the Tory party?

Schools like Eton teach enormous self- confidence and self-entitlement. These qualities are widely admired in the UK, but are dangerous. Eton in particular is famous for teaching a brand of charm - the ability to get along with different social classes. This can be abused too.

Peregrina You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, if you’ll excuse the reference to activities by our revolting former PM. Even Eton cannot do that.

The people we should blame are those that put them in power on the basis of their former school, college and club.

With so much influence being bought by the US right wingers, can we look forward to a change of the abortion law, and capital punishment? There's already been a change of stance towards guns, hasn't there?

If we accept that May hates immigrants (plenty of evidence for that) and was a closet Leaver, doesn't her behaviour become easier to understand?

If we accept that May hates immigrants (plenty of evidence for that) and was a closet Leaver, doesn't her behaviour become easier to understand?

Just apply a duck test.

Ironically, for all the faux outrage about fake news, apart from us stopping having children, maybe the next thing that would terrify our lords and masters would be a return to an age without mass media. Where they have to be judged on what they actually do, rather than the bullshit they spout ? Rather than worrying about censorship and engaging in a game where we have to be tricked into keeping channels of communication open, we should simply be turning our devices off, and relying on raw word of mouth ?

We live in interesting times ...

Mrs8 I'm imagining you with £10m worth of fondant fancies stuffed in your Brexit stash pantry .