Westministenders: Game Over?

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May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

This is absolutely true - have a 'friend of a friend' who is in a position to know and says three months at the most. Not sure why leading pharma reps are surprised at that.

I’m watching They shall not grow old on the bbc.

Sobering. And it makes the war so very real.

(Warning: many dead bodies)

That's truly terrifying.
Not only is this a disaster for people on long term medication but antibiotics running out sounds like a true apocalyptic scenario.
I've been reminded of their use last week as I managed to catch two separate and equally nasty bugs and am on a course of two different antibiotics. Dread to think what would have happened without them. It's simple things like that that drive home how fragile our lives are and how dependent we are on a functioning first world society...

I posted this on a previous thread but it probably got swamped.

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The Guardian states the flaming obvious.

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Nothing to see here. Move along now. This is a perfectly sensible, liberal policy which in no way will be abused or have human rights consequences.

I am also watching They Shall Grow Not Old, while drafting a pleading email to my (Labour) MP.

#brexitnightin #livingthedream

Don’t forget to keep telling people about this:

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@Talkstotrees

Have you had a flick through the numbers that have signed up in each country? Most are 1%, 2% then the occasional 7%, until you get to the UK, more than 100%.

That's a percentage of the number needed, not whole population obviously.

Just read the med business link, it said they are "still working out" how much capicity is needed to stockpile medicines
And they have 5 months to prepare but think they need a year.

I'm exasperated. Just..

Haz- you reported it? Prettybird continually insults the English in an offensive way with lots of bizarre strikeouts but you don't have a problem with that?

I saw that gratuitous attack before it was deleted

If that person had truly been reading my posts, rather than just knee-jerk complaining, then they'd have seen that my anger was directed at Westminster and those English that voted for this - and that even though Brexit might accelerate Scottish independence because of the clusterfuck it will cause, I have explicitly said that I don't want it brought about that way because of the cost of the poorest and most vulnerable in England even if they did vote for it

If that means taking longer to achieve independence, then so be it

But I know that most of the Westministenders understand that

I will acknowledge that I do have a hatred towards the ERG, the Brexiters and Lexiters in Parliament and the disaster capitalists who are looking forward to picking over the carcass of FUKD

Lovely lady in a local group with terminal cancer, is very worried Hazardswan. The diabetes map is terrifying.

How can an English government inflict so much pain, suffering and potentially worse on its own people?

The English have done this to so many other peoples before, though.

I can vouch for prettybird's kindness to all people including those of us 'nominally' english.

As an English woman I can generally see why the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh might think England is full of arrogant twats and might have a desire to not want to associate themselves with that kind of behaviour and thinking.

I'm fairly comfortable with the strike throughs, though I'd quite like Scotland to stay part of the same country for our mutual benefit for that reason.

I don't view it as a particularly controversial opinion to think the English are less than perfect.

How can an English government inflict so much pain, suffering and potentially worse on its own people?

Ask India why they declared independence

Prettybird - I've been on these threads since the beginning and you regularly come on to make "gratuitous attacks" on the English.

If Scotland does gain independence the EU won't want it so you will be just as FUKD as we will be.

You do sound daft ranting away at a whole nation and using the strikeout in a really bizarre fashion

Vas what's your game here?

Fuck it i'll bite..

We live in an unbalanced society historically and presently our United Kingdom is biased towards the English therefore i don't particularly believe there's this MASSIVE problem of the English being picked on.

We (english) are dragging Scotland, NI and the fourteen foreign territories out of the EU against their will and that's a MASSIVE problem.

Pretty having a polite opinion like she does is NOT A MASSIVE PROBLEM.

And if her opinion, voting, letter writing and/or marching stops brexit and ensures my DP's meds supplies then I'm definitely not going to have a problem with her am I?

Chaos We don't do personal attacks. Go and read up on Scottish history. Good luck.

Prettybird continually insults the English in an offensive way

I'm English, I think we bloody deserve it. I'd be consumed with fury (I know, not helpful) if i was Scottish, even more so if I was from NI and was being dragged out of the EU against my will by a bunch of arrogant English.

woman sorry to hear about your friend, its breaking my heart. No one sick deserves this.

The UK isn't even biased towards England - it's heavily biased towards Southern England. The North and West don't get much of a look in, not even God's Own Country, Yorkshire.

She's a fighter. Absolute sheroe Hazardswan. But it's terrifying.
Did you see the soldier on Marr? He was asked if army would help deliver food and medicine. He said no. So the army will be doing other things. And SUS laws are suddenly laxer. Not good at all.

I don't view it as a particularly controversial opinion to think the English are less than perfect

That isn't what prettybird says though. And no nation is perfect - including Scotland. It is full of arrogant twats - over a million voted for Brexit. NI and Wales are also full of arrogant twats. The former gave us the DUP, the latter voted for Brexit.

I was not a supporter of Scottish independence but am gradually being pushed into being a supporter. I don't like any nationalism but as a Scot I feel I am better served by the Scottish version than the English one.
Promises were made to the Scots during the last ref that aren't going to be kept.
The break up of the union has been pushed forward by this.
I am cross that the will of my nation is being ignored, that doesn't mean I hate all the English. I am married to one. But I am cross.