Westministenders: Game Over?

[RedToothBrush]

May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

Vas^^^What a bizzare statement. I'm Scottish and certainly not arrogant. I vote against Independence and remain. I thought as a country we were all better sticking together and I've got as much in common as someone in Manchester as I have with someone in Inverness or Edinburgh or London. I also realised the financial mess it would leave Scotland in. Your sweeping statements are ridiculous.

^^That should say I voted against Independence and I also voted remain.

I'm bloody cross about Brexit too. I love my country and will fight to remain in the EU until all hope is lost (I don't think we're quite there yet). But I won't join in this mass self-flagellation that many of you insist in indulging in.

GD12 - I was replying to Red's post

As an English woman I can generally see why the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh might think England is full of arrogant twats

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^^OK, fair enough.

PS, I don't think England is full of arrogant twats. I'd like to think the majority are decent people with some hookwinked and taken in by nationalists and crazy Ukipers.

That isn't what prettybird says though. And no nation is perfect - including Scotland. It is full of arrogant twats - over a million voted for Brexit. NI and Wales are also full of arrogant twats. The former gave us the DUP, the latter voted for Brexit.

Is that a chip on your shoulder or just a potato?

Really don't get what your point is, apart from a personal grudge against someone who has a political view that Westminster politicians regard the importance of places politically according to how long it takes to get there on the tube.

I am more than happy for VassalageorChaos to highlight any a post where l have made "gratuitous attacks" on the English - let alone regularly My anger has always been focussed on Westminster.

And BTW: FUKD stands for the Formerly United Kingdom and its Dependencies. It seemed like a more appropriate acronym than rUK which was the one that was used regularly during the Indyref.

For someone to delurk like that, claiming to have been on these threads since the start (especially as I wasn't - only joined the Westiministenders threads about a month after the Referendum) so aggressively makes one wonder if they have name-changed

But anyway, others can read my posts and make their own opinion. I've re-read my post from earlier this afternoon - and I stand by every word of it - including the point that my anger was directed primarily at Westminster and acknowledging that NAEALT.

And that is the last time I will engage with this particular GF. At least in this incarnation.

makes one wonder if they have name-changed

yes, i name change frequently - have done since MN was hacked years ago. My latest one inspired by Jo Johnson. Anyway, back to reading. Hopefully, I've given you food for thought, prettybird, about the way you rant on about the English alas probably not

SUS laws are suddenly laxer
Forgive my ignorance, what are SUS laws?

Stop and Search Quietrebel

Thank you!

Ominous in that context, yes.

Did you see the soldier on Marr? He was asked if army would help deliver food and medicine. He said no. So the army will be doing other things.

I suspect the army will be guarding pharma installations and hospitals and their pharmacies against looters, also significant places like power stations, banks, labs, maybe even food warehouses and other warehouses.

Look forward to lots of police and armed forces presence, and curfew.

MHRA's website said a while back that nowt will change. They also said a deal was agreed.

Their website now has scenarios in the case of no Brexit deal. "Guidance related to the work of the Agency on how to prepare for exiting the EU if there’s no deal"

www.gov.uk/government/news/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency-statement-on-the-outcome-of-the-eu-referendum

The MHRA was built up and expertise developed in no small part because of the location of the EMA on it's shores. This further attracted Pharma and R&D.

Now the Dutch regulator will be built up. They cannot handle the full workload yet, but will in time. Meanwhile the extra they cannot handle will be distributed around the other EU26. Under the watchful eye of the MEB.

"The MEB is not only focusing on expanding its own capacity. We also want to distribute the work more effectively among the various European medicines authorities. By doing so we also intend to build up long-term relationships for future cooperation in terms of flexible distribution of work in the area of multinational assessments."

Nine countries have now agreed a Memorandum of Understanding with the MEB. Following an initial assessment there primarily appears to be a need for capacity and training on the issues of pharmacovigilance, quality and pharmacology, toxicology and kinetics.

english.cbg-meb.nl/latest/news/2018/09/06/brexit-fully-prepared

And as for the DUP coming from the climate that is NI. The situation in NI is a special gift of former (maybe current as well) English policy in Ireland. So, Westminster is only getting a return dividend.

@Cailleach1 - a good way of describing the existence of the NI issue.

SUS laws are suddenly laxer

How great it is to wake up to on a Monday morning.

I'm English and I think the English deserve to take the rap for this.

The referendum was a project devised and delivered by English Tories. Brexit supporters (especially those who would still vote leave) are generally older, conservative, more racist and more English than the UK population as a whole.

Only just over 2 million leave votes were cast by Scotland, Wales and NI combined.

pretty I'll echo the vast majority here and say we all know you talk about Westminster. Carry on. Some people should use the opportunity to take it as a learning experience as to why there was a big push for independence in Scotland and why people still feel the way they do. Same applies to anyone from NI or Wales or the North or South West etc. etc.

But I really came on here to post this:

Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. By putting our own interests first, with no regard for others, we erase the very thing that a nation holds dearest, and the thing that keeps it alive: its moral values.

I'm not sure why we hate Macron so much here in France. He's a long way from perfect but even at home he's done some decent things. And on the international stage he is a giant.

You could substitute “Macron” for “Blair”, Mistrigirl

Also demonised by the right wingers to the point where he was considered at one point to be the most hated past PM (until David Cameron challenged him for the honour!).

It’s to shut him out and stop the people listening to him.

pretty just to reintegrate your posts have never been an issue.
Tbh in these threads, I’m sure you would have known about it if they had been!

The news about to review of ‘stop and search’ by the place is what is worrying me more than anything else. Much more than a No Deal.
So many if those little tweaks that are going through unnoticed but are reducing freedom slowly but surely.

Yes it has. You have only to look at the Trans debate to see how people who would normally have been campaigning against Austerity etc. have been sidetracked to fight over the definition of "Woman".