Westministenders: Game Over?

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May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

Pretty.
I have just walked to visit the small memorial thanking the Kings Own Scottish Highlanders for removing elements of 9th Panzer division from the village (WW2 obviously).

BCF
I wonder if the comments and observations made by you and RTB particularly over the last couple of years are beginning to make you feel a bit weird, in the way that you have predicted many of the things that we are now witnessing?
Mr Macron is certainly speaking the right sort of language, that I can appreciate as a 'Brit' but he is far from popular in France (shame as he is President!) although if some of the actions he has taken work out France should do well in future (here's hoping).

Apparently David Lidington is at the Paris event as TM's deputy

Ah, I take back what I said then. What bothered me was the complete absence of any British representatives.

Me too, Quietrebel, though I shall keep that badge in reserve. I have a feeling I’m going to need it.

Is there is indeed a no deal (which there will be). This means a hard border on Ireland doesn't it? Can't have 2 regulatory bodies and not have customs checks. Yet May is.committed to no border. How the hell does that work?

Off topic, but did anybody see Danny Boyle talking about the amazing portrait of Wilfred Owen drawn in the sand at Folkestone? Amazing and very moving.

Topless protesters as mentioned earlier painted with the words "fake peacemakers"

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-paris-latest-topless-protesters-femen-female-rights-motorcade-remembrance-day-a8628461.html

They are known for protesting against sexism*, homophobia and religious institutions.

One of them got very close to trump.

*Note sexism not gender discrimination

People's Vote & Best For Britain London Rally

^Tue 13 November 2018 18:30 – 20:30 GMT Central Hall Westminster
Storey's Gate London SW1H 9NH^
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/peoples-vote-best-for-britain-london-rally-tickets-52410631610?aff=estw

DGR put up links to instances in Italy (?) where because one or two killed a couple of German soldiers, the whole village was torched with women and children burned alive in the church.

TRIGGER WARNING

Which one ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant%27Anna_di_Stazzema_massacre

springs to mind (notice how the ever-efficient Germans used the wood from the pew to burn the bodies, however ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardeatine_massacre

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzabotto_massacre

This is why I get increasing pissed off with the UKIP and Brexiteer cunts who try to portray Britains part in the war as somehow more worthy than what happened in Europe. Whilst we did suffer the Blitz, and we lost brace young men and women, Britain never suffered the way the French, Dutch, Polish and Italians suffered.

Never.

Sadly the list goes on. Lidice; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre , Oradour sur Glane (movingly preserved as it fell ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre

Khatyn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre

WW2 again.
Just 1 line taken from the Wiki entry for Babi Yar, which is in Kiev.
{It is estimated that between 100,000 and 150,000 people were killed at Babi Yar during the German occupation.[8]}

www.telegraph.co.uk/uk-independence-party/

Theresa May’s Brexit plan will be blocked by MPs even if she is able to “bounce” the Cabinet into signing it off, the Prime Minister has been warned.

Senior members of the Eurosceptic grouping of Tory backbenchers and the Democratic Unionist Party figures are publicly uniting to insist they will vote against Mrs May’s proposals unless she backs down.

Their intervention came as senior government figures warned that the deal would still fall in Parliament even if it were forced through a reluctant Cabinet this week.

A defeat for Mrs May would be likely to spark a leadership challenge.
< we've no time for this shit >

Ukip civil war as Nigel Farage and party leader clash over giving Tommy Robinson membership

Is Farage worried Robinson will become leader (and scupper Farage's favourite bolthole) ?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/ukip-war-nigel-farage-gerard-batten-clash-tommy-robinson-membership/

Mr Farage said he was "really upset" over the suggestion Robinson could be allowed to join Ukip as he accused Mr Batten of marginalising the party.

The btl comments are quite scary, most in support of Robinson, but this one in particular showing where they may go:

"In THAT referendum to come, the ballot paper will ask the British people a simple
question:

Should Islam and all it's followers be allowed to continue here* in Britain, or should they be removed ?*

Allowed to stay / Removed

Make no mistake, after we've finally escaped from our EU shackles^ we will take on each and every threat to this country - even if the pathetic main stream parties refuse to do so.^"

Ukip civil war as Nigel Farage and party leader clash over giving Tommy Robinson membership

"He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas"

Don't those fascist arseholes know who the UK fought against in WW2 ?

A bad Brexit will not be as terrible as the Suez crisis. It will be far worse

Yeah, after the ref I kept compared Brexit to Suez - also caused by delusions of power -
but after May's Lancaster House speech last January, it was obvious it could be much worse.

Suez was a sharp blow to our pride but didn't actually affect the lives of people in the Uk

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/bad-brexit-will-not-be-as-terrible-as-suez-it-will-be-far-worse

Suez swiftly faded from controversy and slipped into the history books;

Britain and its Tories will be living with the consequences of a bad Brexit for years
– probably wisest to make that decades – to come.

If the economic blowback is nasty, the Tory party will not be able to repeat its post-Suez trick.
It will not induce forgiveness and forgetfulness about a terrible Brexitt^ simply by installing a new face at Number 10.

A bad Brexit will not be as terrible as the Suez crisis. It will be far worse
About 6 million times worse, at a rough guess. I'm sure Cobra have the stats.

Today DS (10) has asked us if Brexit would really be that bad. Surprisingly enough even DH said it will be catastrophic. Even his lovely optimism is worn down. So thank you for keeping us sane.

It would be interesting to see how Farage and Robinson would fare in the environment that DGR and I linked to a little upthread, which is only a logical 'conclusion' to the far right actually taking hold. It is one thing to stomp around waving flags and shouting but are they prepared to risk their families being put to death, horribly?

RE: Nigel, Tommy and Islam. adding the latter to the why I hate people box.

How does Nige not get he is just a cleaner cut version of Tommy? People like them always think they oh so special but they are a type nothing unique about either.

I can kinda still laugh at the National Front they are comically awful a marching parody of themselves. A sketch artist couldn't do better.

*just to be clear i was referring to a referendum on Islam not islam it self !

Love Islam as much as I love any other religion as in I think the artwork is spectacular but no partaking in active worship for myself

An essay by a prominent leftwing academic that examines the ethics of socialist revolution has been targeted by a leading university
using the government’s counter-terrorism strategy

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/11/reading-university-warns-danger-left-wing-essay

Students at the University of Reading have been told to take care when reading an essay by the late Professor Norman Geras, in order to avoid falling foul of Prevent.

Third-year politics undergraduates have been warned not to access it on personal devices, to read it only in a secure setting, and not to leave it lying around where it might be spotted “inadvertently or otherwise, by those who are not prepared to view it”. 🤔

The alert came after the text was flagged by the university as “sensitive” under the Prevent programme.

The essay, listed as “essential” reading for the university’s Justice and Injustice politics module last year,
is titled Our Morals: The Ethics of Revolution

There are several such signs that the state & the country are swinging sharply to the authoritarian right.
Now add Brexit No Deal to all that

Helluva lot on those lines going on in british HE BCF helluva lot.....

Intellectual constipation seems to be a real 'thing' here.

@BigChocFrenzy

I'm not surprised by comments like that. I've followed Vote Leave on Facebook since before the referendum, I think the scariest thing is that I'm really not sure Allowed to stay would win.

There are several such signs that the state & the country are swinging sharply to the authoritarian right.

This not a recent trend.
IMO it started with New Labour and the left rejoining the right.
It means that there is nothing left on the political landscape fir 'left wing' ideas of looking after the weakest. Only some sort if fight about how harsh you can be in imposing your view if the world.
It also puts Britain in opposition with a lot Europe imo where freedom of expression fur example is seen as essential. But has been eroded fur years here on the ground of counter terrorism.

This is why a No Deal is so disastrous imo. It will keep the door wide open for all those extreme views. Which won't seem so extreme because we will have been ´primed' to them. And because people will react to the hardship and the social and political instability that a no deal will bring.
Add to that the total apathy from the general population

Im just wondering how long it will take....