People’s Vote Delusion

[PersonaNonGarter]

It isn’t going to happen. For the following reasons:

1. May Government won’t vote for a second referendum
2. No new post-May Tory Government will vote for a second referendum
3. Jeremy Corbyn and those in the Labour Party front benches won’t vote for a second referendum
4. There is no agreement about what the referendum would ask.
5. There is no plausible timetable for a referendum.

Why would Corbyn want a second referendum? He is a Leaver wanting to win in Leave seats. And he wants to implement his domestic agenda, not waste any further time on Brexit votes. The current situation SUITS him.

Yes, but that and ‘fuck em’ are not very nice attitudes to have to half your fellow community. Obviously, normal service will resume for most people but it is scary how spiteful Remainers have been to Leavers.

It's not spite. I think they're ignorant fools and don't really give a toss about being nice to thick xenophobes who've cut us off from the global economy and made us the laughing stock of Europe.

You think half the country are thick xenophobes?

but it is scary how spiteful Remainers have been to Leavers.

And vice versa

The standard leaver claim about remainers is they are ‘Traitors’.

The Leave campaign promised the moon on a stick. But have signally failed to actually achieve anything they promised, and blamed remainers for the fact it’s all rather harder than they said it was.

^You think half the country are thick xenophobes?*

I think anyone who voted Leave is a fool at best and have no desire to be nice to them. They threw Britain under a bus so it should come as no surprise to them that they're held responsible for that decision when the bus reverses and backs over them. But hey, maybe Scotland will get its independence out of it all. If they do I'm moving there!

And 'half the country' didn't vote for this, I guess Scotland and NI don't count in your definition of UK . . .

God the spite after the referendum towards remainers was unbelievable. The glee and let's kick you at 'winning'. The calling people snowflakes.... etc etc etc
If brexit was a good idea it would be considerably easier.
I was the peacemaker in my family. This is likely to damage my children's futures so I'm angry. No other vote in history has allowed one group to take away the rights from another group.

Do you think that this division (evident on this thread) of abuse, and how thick and undeserving half the population are, will have an impact on society?

And given that, what impact would a People’s Vote have?

A small minority of leavers are thick xenophobes but most voted leave because they genuinely thought it would be better for the country.
The Vote Leave campaign lied and cheated. People thought they were voting for more money for the NHS, less red tape so businesses could flourish and more jobs and investment for British communities. All sensible things to want and all lies. I don’t think you can just write them off as stupid or nasty.

Half the population didn't vote for this.

The Vote Leave campaign lied and cheated. People thought they were voting for more money for the NHS, less red tape so businesses could flourish and more jobs and investment for British communities. All sensible things to want and all lies. I don’t think you can just write them off as stupid or nasty.

Anyone who believed this coming from Tories and the likes of Farage is one of the dimmer lights in the harbour.

Fwiw I voted Remain but I have close friends and family who voted Leave. I was very disappointed at the outcome of the vote but I was genuinely prepared to give Leave the chance to deliver the Brexit they promised and adopted a wait and see approach. I can’t see that they do have any coherent ideas or a plan though and I would have preferred to have been proved wrong than be in this mess.

"Yes, but that and ‘fuck em’ are not very nice attitudes to have to half your fellow community. Obviously, normal service will resume for most people but it is scary how spiteful Remainers have been to Leavers."

But that works both ways. Remainers have been called traitors, citizens of nowhere, accused of being unpatriotic. If you genuinely want to reduce polarisation and foster a sense of pulling together, then you have to include them in the conversation and work hard to convince them. Not this endless "you lose get over it" stuff that reduces constitutional change to a playground argument.

Personally: I'm a mild mannered, middle aged woman who believes in compromise and negotiation. And I'm furious, and I find it very hard not to wish harm on people who voted for this.

‘I find it very hard not to wish harm on people who voted for this’

Do you think you have anything you can do to improve the country and heal division?

Why should I care about the well being of anyone who chose this path for us all?
It would be nice for everyone to be nice. But then just over a third voted toLeave the EU and just under a third didn't bother to vote at all. And a shit show ensues to mess with my family. Why should I think nice thoughts about people who voted for this?

Do you think you have anything you can do to improve the country and heal division?

How about a decent plan in place that gives reassurance that it won't screw any sector of society or part of the UK? That would probably help.

Do you think you have anything you can do to improve the country and heal division?

Why exactly do you believe people who don't want to leave the EU have a duty to heal division? I'm not a healer. This isn't my problem to sort out. Fuck 'em.

To be honest I think being too nice got us into this mess. I've not called people out on their behaviour/remark because you know...were all entitled to our opinion.
They're thinking of turning the almost empty sheltered housing in our village into temporary accommodation for homeless families. People are up in arms because they might be 'undesireables'. I despair at our lack of charity. All those complaining voted leave.

Why should the people who didn't want this have the job of making it all luvverly.
Prove me wrong, Leavers. Make it fab for me and mine. Not in 50 years when I'm long gone and my dd might be a grandmother.

"Do you think you have anything you can do to improve the country and heal division?"

No. It's not my job to "heal division" but in any case, there is no longer any prospect of rational conversation about Brexit, as the fact free interventions about super Canada on this thread show. Brexit is a belief system and its not amenable to rational discussion.

If we don’t work together to find a way through though it’s going to hurt all of us. It’s cutting your nose off to spite your face to refuse to engage because it’s not your fault. I’m not prepared to just give up when it’s my future at stake.

I have an alternative suggestion, we could not leave the EU but instead focus on the causes behind people voting leave that had nothing to do with the EU but instead stemmed from domestic politics, but were conveniently blamed on the EU.

I live up north where people aren't happy but for reasons that will be exacerbated by leaving, not fixed by it.

The trouble is, Leavers are still offering no solutions.

They simply cannot explain why this shit show is worth it.

That's why the division can't be healed.

It's just sheer arrogance that they think we should all rally round and support their choice when they still can't explain why it's the right choice.

'We won' isn't enough.

I'm at a loss as to what ordinary people can do apart from being political active, which is why I think the people's march was so important. Even if you don't think a second referendum is the answer (I'm a referendum sceptic) it helps keep MPs minds focussed on the need for remain votes at the next election.

If we don’t work together to find a way through though it’s going to hurt all of us. It’s cutting your nose off to spite your face to refuse to engage because it’s not your fault. I’m not prepared to just give up when it’s my future at stake.

It's already hurt us all. There's going to be no 'work together' Dunkirk bollocks. If you want to pull in tandem with Leavers, knock yourself out, but it will make FA difference.

I agree @Mrsr8 , if you get into bed with these people, some of their nature rubs off on you.