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Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2018 22:39

We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

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2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 10/10/2018 10:25

Don’t often post on this thread but am an avid reader of it since the the BBC seems to carefully hide or gloss over anything remotely “project fear”

So I wasn’t expecting the hard core leave / remain argument at 8.30 this morning from a friend. I explained I was going to have to decline an invite from her as it now clashed with the march in London. She is very pro leave and kept asking if I wanted a battlefield situation ? Not sure what she meant as I think a battlefield will happen with no deal.

I cut the debate short because a) at 8.30 I really didn’t feel like arguing and b) it seemed pointless with someone whose views were so entrenched.

But now I realise She is supposed to be coming with us in April for a weekend away sharing a large house. A month after we withdraw from Europe. Not sure I can cope.

Everyone else going is very pro remain. We generally don’t really talk about politics but this is so big and will have so many effects especially if there is no deal, I don’t think it will / can be avoided.

We don’t pay our deposit until after the key dates this autumn. If a no deal looks even more likely at that stage I think I might tell her the trip is off!

A bit mean? Possibly .... one for AIBU maybe?

jasjas1973 · 10/10/2018 10:34

Anyone unemployed or want a new career?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/emergency-workers-being-hired-to-handle-post-brexit-disruption

The resilience and emergency division (Red) posts are billed as “exciting and challenging” and come with a £45,938 salary, rising to £50,006 in London.

Applicants are told Red (resilience and emergency division) helps communities across the UK to “respond to and recover from civil emergencies of all types”. The job advertisement, posted by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) calls for three resilience advisers for “EU exit readiness and response support to local preparedness”.

FridayThirteenth · 10/10/2018 10:34

A battlefield situation?!
That sounds a bit like a threat.
If it all goes as badly as is seeming likely, I'm not sure I could enjoy a holiday with someone with views like that.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2018 10:37

@2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney - it's a tricky one because we all need something to look forward to and, I suspect, most of us avoid talking Brexit in real life with people we like generally but disagree with on this.
Her use of the expression "battlefield" was ill chosen. I hope she meant it metaphorically about swapping a long standing (?) social arrangement for a march. I hope she meant this rather than any expectation of physical aggro.
I think a chat with her about not wanting politics to be brought up on a weekend away would be an idea. But if she is getting belligerent generally, maybe cancel the weekend.
Don't escalate it if it can be smoothed over. But don't stand for Leaver shit either. I'd feel the same if a friend suddenly "got religion " and started ranting at everyone. If they got religion but kept it to themselves, I'd stay friends.

DGRossetti · 10/10/2018 10:38

A battlefield situation?! That sounds a bit like a threat.

Somehow, coming from Brexiteers, it's not that scary. They'd probably get the date wrong, or turn up in the wrong town.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2018 10:39

@jasjas1973 - I showed that advert to my dh (I'm actually qualified to do it and in the civil service). He looked horrified that we are at this stage. I told him that the good news was at least they are looking at it.
No I don't want to go for it.

DGRossetti · 10/10/2018 10:41

There's a thread somewhere about "has Brexit changed your relations with family/friends ? ...

Daddybegood · 10/10/2018 10:45

2beesornot. I had lunch yesterday with a good mate who is a fanatical leaver. We have had a few blazing rows in the past although mainly by text. I was almost dreading the lunch which is bizarre as i have known him 30 years and had prepared myself to say "never argue politics and religion" as a way to avoid another row.
Turns out it wasn't mentioned as I think neither of us wanted to start the argument...I know he won't change his mind and believes we should go for no deal cliff edge brexit (a proper lemming) so there really is little point in discussing.
I think I'd dread it even more if I were going on holiday with such an ardent leaver but you may find it all goes better than you think

1tisILeClerc · 10/10/2018 10:51

With the money that is being wasted, they could have built luxury apartments for all the homeless and loads of other useful things.

DGRossetti · 10/10/2018 10:54

With the money that is being wasted, they could have built luxury apartments for all the homeless and loads of other useful things.

But who wants to do that ?

jasjas1973 · 10/10/2018 10:57

Well, if nothing else, we all now know that whenever May has said there is "No Magic Money tree" she was lying....again.

1tisILeClerc · 10/10/2018 11:03

DGR Nobody of course. It is a problem that could be solved in many ways but no one really wants to.
Are all of the 'homeless' truly incapable of doing anything?
Using properties in need of repair and getting them to work on them under supervision would not have to cost much.
You could argue 'health and safety' but where is it either healthy or safe to live in a shop doorway?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:07

How many of these "resilience and emergency division" posts are there ?

With this timing, the govt are basically saying they expect an emergency ... and the one to cause such this sudden flurry is obviously Brexit

Bellini As you are qualified, those civil service posts must be tempting - usually very good with flexible working, parental leave etc
and good job security
... we'll probably have crises for umpteen years to come, as public serrvices are wound down
and if any Brexit other than EEA / EFTA happens, those crises look almost certain and very grim

SusanWalker · 10/10/2018 11:08

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DGRossetti · 10/10/2018 11:08

Elsewhere, on the interwebs, discussion of climate change etc led to a comment that if you did want to (a) reduce population, and (b) perfect human society, then wars are probably the worst way to go about it. After all they tend to remove the healthiest, fittest, and smartest out of society, leaving the dullards, ill, weak and useless behind. Hardly a great start to the master race.

Far better to devise a system to remove the undesirables - weak, ill, genetically degenerate (I'm sure we all know the form Sad) and leave the fittest to build the New World Order.

It's especially easy if you use wealth as a proxy for fitness.

I would write more, but there's not enough room in the margin. Also it's time for my anti cynic meds.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:08

(you may be able to tell I'd be reassured by a few Westimistenders in these posts, so they aren't all filled by the authoritarians)

DGRossetti · 10/10/2018 11:09

Dominic Raab told the House today that the Northern Ireland backstop has to be time-limited.

Didn't the EU note that a time limited backstop was no backstop ?

1tisILeClerc · 10/10/2018 11:09

Salt Lake City Utah, everyone has 'jobs' provided by the city. It is quite weird in some ways and I would expect some pretty nasty elements if you dig deep, but it does mean it is a beautiful city.
Look up the 'Bee Hive' Brigham Young's house if you want to totally explode with Feminist rage.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:11

There would never be a good time for a full national roll out of this godawful Universal Credit to the whole country,
but next year, after Brexit, looks a particularly daft idea:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/10/gordon-brown-halt-universal-credit-rollout

Esther McVey, the work and pensions secretary, reportedly told the cabinet last week that

half of all lone parents and two-thirds of couples with children stand to lose £2,400 a year – £200 each month – once they are transferred to universal credit.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 10/10/2018 11:12

It’s the battlefield comment that worries me.
Trouble is the weekend away is just after the withdrawal. I don’t think politics could be completely avoided or at least the consequences of them. (Which I think will be very many)

The invite was not long standing. I don’t like accepting and then declining but I said to her that the March and issue were so important to me that I felt I had to. Hense her Brexit comments. She implied a battlefield with Europe if we stayed in I think.

Part of me wants to get her to explain , part of me wants to withdraw from a closer friendship - she is a relatively new friend. Also not wanting to drip feed but she let me down yesterday regarding a get together. Me now letting her down is not tit for tat ., though it might look like that to her. I had decided to go on the March beforehand and intended to tell her face to face.

Rossetti I found that thread after posting. Happy for mine to be moved there if not appropriate for this thread.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:14

Oh, I see the NAO chief has also just told MPs

the government should have given business more information about what will happen after Brexit.

Many businesses will find themselves “in a relatively difficult position” over Brexit

< shhh, sunlit uplands only - or you'll get sacked >

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:16

Don't worry, 2bees, we often talk here about things on the periphery of Brexit, or general personal angst

lonelyplanetmum · 10/10/2018 11:27

I'm not sure if these jobs were posted yesterday? There's so much unbelievable disaster 'management' going on that I can't keep up.

This time it's Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government resilience advisor ? roles to “prepare for, respond to, and recover from civil emergencies of all types”.

Food supply ministers, resilience advisors. Please, please make it all stop. If only the whole episode had been like Bobby Ewing's dream and we could now wake up.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-civil-emergenciesukk5bbcd701e4b028e1fe41fea0?66&utmhppref=uk-homepage

BigChocFrenzy · 10/10/2018 11:29

Former Cambridge Analytica chief used N-word to describe Barbados PM

An allround charmer Confused

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/08/former-cambridge-analytica-chief-alexander-nix-used-n-word-to-describe-barbados-pm

Exclusive: leaked papers reveal racist slur by Alexander Nix, who is pitching to run election campaigns in Caribbean
...
The Guardian has seen an exchange of messages in which Nix appears to refer to Mia Mottley, < a strong woman leader > who was elected prime minister of Barbados in May, and senator Lucille Moe, who is the country’s information minister, as “niggers”.
The messages are dated October 2010.

< are just women n@@@ers ? >