Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

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We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

Sorry I just see it's been discussed up thread already. Told you I can't keep up. I clearly need more resilience ...

It’s the battlefield comment that worries me
Tell us more.

{I clearly need more resilience ...}
Is that the stuff that tends to come in green bottles?

Maybe there will be another job advert for someone next week, Someone to work out what the hell the UK is doing.

@twobees.
I am sure your fridge/car/whatever expensive is looking a bit dodgy so maybe a cancellation is called for?

{With financial technology as the designated theme of the gathering, the Chancellor will herald Britain’s approach to using technology to save customers money, and open up the market to popular new banking apps.

Britain will use its world-leading expertise and influence in finance to shape global views towards new financial technology, Philip Hammond will say at the IMF Annual Meetings in Bali.}

Another tech document, just popped in.
Lead by example, how to totally f$%^ an economy.
I am sure the people in the finance industry are capable of it but taking the UK out of the loop, is this really the way?

Britain will use its world-leading expertise and influence in finance to shape global views towards new financial technology, Philip Hammond will say at the IMF Annual Meetings in Bali.

Might have had more credibility if it was held in London ?

According to colleagues who interact with the "A" part of my last jobs "EMEA" division, Asia is decades ahead of us in regards to technology and what it can do. Who knows, they might even be using email !

(Did anyone see this weeks QI about the Chinese companies that will undertake "tomb sweeping" on your behalf and live stream it via an app ?)

Perhaps he was on a house hunting trip?

@1tisILeClerc
Trouble is the holiday is for 8 of us not just me and her. Don’t want to cancel for the rest of us , just her. She wanted to join our group because of where we were going. She appeared pretty inoffensive ( and probably is despite what she said this am ) so we agreed to her coming along.
Going to have to let her down. This dynamic is not going to work.

Sorry I realise I am derailing so going to post in the other thread if anyone wants to give me advice..

@nicholaswatt
Breaking: I understand the DUP will vote against the 29 October Budget if @Theresa_May breaches their #Brexit red lines at next week’s EU summit. Losing a budget vote has traditionally been seen as a confidence issue

Good luck with the decision to cancel two bees . I’m sure lots of people are having similar issues although perhaps not quite as dramatic as cancelling a holiday!

On a tangent but almost nobody I know in real life (outside my family) talks about Brexit. Maybe everybody is scared of getting into a row??

Breaking: I understand the DUP will vote against the 29 October Budget if @Theresa_May breaches their #Brexit red lines at next week’s EU summit. Losing a budget vote has traditionally been seen as a confidence issue

Unless Labour vote with them ? Hoey and Field are certainly likely too.

On a tangent but almost nobody I know in real life (outside my family) talks about Brexit. Maybe everybody is scared of getting into a row??

More likely an indication that - until the cretins in UKIP got airtime - most people really didn't think about it.

Losing a budget vote has traditionally been seen as a confidence issue

That was then. Who knows now? Standards have gone out the window. As at one time a Minister caught doing something wrong would resign. Now they just lie their way out.

All this 'a few seats here and 'chatting with other's there' is not the way to run a country.
It sounds more like a seating plan for a school trip to the beach.

I understand why the DUP have so much power. My question was more about why an unelected member of the DUP has so much power. Does being a party leader supersede the vote of the electorate?

{ most people really didn't think about it.}
Most people will moan about council tax, but they don't expect it will be cancelled because they complain.

So is it finally reckoning for the Tory / DUP coalition? How long can they fudge the Northern Ireland border issue? Or will the DUP accept a few more billions of pounds to shut up?

2bees Good luck whatever you do.

More likely an indication that - until the cretins in UKIP got airtime - most people really didn't think about it.

Before 2016 yes. Now there is definite fear about things like flights or medicines not being available, and people don't want to get into arguments with old friends.

tisI yes maybe that’s it. I tried to discuss it recently with some friends who I know were also remainers but their attitude was almost “well what can you do”. I’m just amazed that such an attitude is persisting in the face of predicted food shortages and chaos.

Losing a budget vote only used to be a Confidence issue, leading to a GE

However, the Fixed Term Parliament Act it is more likely to make that just a very tough way of applying pressure:

The DUP can vote down the budget - to obstruct govt financial plans - then vote with the govt when Labour (inevitably) propose a Vote of Confidence,
to avoid a Corbyn government (he is their bogey man, far more than the EU)

So, just the DUP being tiresome.
The govt can actually trundle along on the old budget and financial plans until Brexit

Brexit only 5 months later is likely to make the Budget moot anyway, since reliable leaks suggest Hammond has not been allowed to face up to the reality
especially since many important announcements in the Autumn budget only klck in after the following 5 April

People did complain about the Poll tax and it brought down Maggie Thatcher and was replaced. I know that Eurosceptics like to claim her scalp but forget that she promoted the Single Market.

Before 2016 yes. Now there is definite fear about things like flights or medicines not being available, and people don't want to get into arguments with old friends.

The thing is, if, as a Remainer, you discussed Brexit with a friend who voted Leave, because they believed it would result in "the coloureds being sent home", then is that a friendship that you really want to keep ? I quite accept that if you genuinely believed your friendship was based on deep common values, it might be upsetting to discover they weren't.

Having a small social circle, I'm atypical, but I don't know any Leavers as friends. I know a few as colleagues, but none of them backs Leaving anymore, so there's no real room for argument ??

2017 giving the DUP such power was a fluke, which probably won't be repeated at the next GE

• a hung Parliament is quite possible, but not so much the Tories needing only the DUP MPs

They would risk losing their once-only power to a normal majority govt, which might even bring in Corbyn

• and he would happily draw a full-scale border down the Irish Sea, never mind just some customs checks

The DUP might even lose seats, if Remain Unionists vote Alliance or the more moderate UUP

Scooby Apathy and deference to the ruling class

• which is why said ruling class have been allowed to loot & run the country into the ground