Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

[RedToothBrush]

We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

we urge UK and EU negotiators

So the UKs "plan" is to hope Nissan et al put pressure on the EU ?

How dim are these fuckwits ?

MissClimpson
I sympathise - I had broken ligaments in Feb which take ages to heal too
I took a daily taxi to the gym, to exercise my upper body, thighs etc and stop me going nuts.

EU Court of Justice @EUCourtPress
#Brexit: #ECJ received a request for preliminary ruling from a Scottish Court on the reversibility of article 50 (case number: C-621/18). A request to apply the accelerated procedure was also submitted.

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Ministers are well aware of this case, I’ve been told that its significance may be being underplayed, I had been told that the Government would seek to appeal the Court of Session’s reference to the ECJ, but apparently didn’t, or haven’t at the most appropriate opp this week...

Remember that bluster a few months ago ?

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/04/uk_space_australia/

The UK and Australia have announced plans to become the best of buddies in the space field, including the UK’s current hot potato: satellite navigation.

The memorandum of understanding, which was signed this week by Chief Executive of the UK Space Agency, Graham Turnock, and head of the fledgling Australian Space Agency (ASA), Dr Megan Clark AC, will see collaboration efforts between the two countries in the arena of communications, space situational awareness and, of course satellite navigation.

The UK has begun to face up to an increasingly likely scenario where it will be relegated to mere “third country” status or ejected entirely from programmes such as the prestigious Galileo navigation system or the EU Space Surveillance and Tracking programme thanks to shambolic Brexit negotiations.

(contd)

The comments on that article above (satellites) are pretty representative of the Remain nature of IT, btw.

Thanks for the new thread Red and hope you feel better soon.

This from the Guardian - for some reason I can’t link to it.

^Netherlands 'halted Russian cyber-attack on chemical weapons body'
Four GRU officers were expelled after alleged cyber-attack on Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons^

Netherlands did this with the help of British intelligence officers.

DG the inability of Thomas Cook Airlines to operate flights as a result of the United Kingdom’s decision to leave the European Union

What sort of traitorous talk is that? Surely they mean the EU’s decision to make the U.K. leave without a deal? (not finding any of this genuinely funny, just parking that grin for fear someone somewhere may think I’m being serious...)

Meanwhile, elsewhere on MN, the trollbots have missed a thread - for now ...

(Probably because of it's title it's harder to find, and not in "Brexit" ....)

The comments are good.
"Doesn't seem unfair when we funded it and are still paying for it now."

"That it was the UK - us - who insisted that non-EU countries should not have access to the encrypted data. Or do you not understand that Brexit means that the UK becomes a non EU country?"

But the first poster must be right because we never, ever had a say in any EU treaties, did we?

Place marking

You mean the huge spike in births around January 2010 due to power cuts (no TV or lights) in March 2019?

Thanks BigChoc. I ought to be feeling better but it seems to get harder as it goes on.

It was decidedly odd yesterday in TMs speech when she was banging on about free markets and free trade and how marvellous they are whilst simultaneously taking us out of one of the best trade areas in the world.

@dgr
The thread you've alluded to upthread is overwhelmingly attracting remainers

Sorry, I do not know what happened there. I have reported myself.

No sticker afaik saying "No Leavers allowed"

However, MN demographics make it more Remain than the rest of the country:
. Mostly of an age to have young DC
. Female
. More likely have higher education

Coincidence, or an indicator of what is to come after a hard /no deal Brexit ?

After Arlene Foster proclaimed yesterday "the red line is blood red"

[Belfast] New Lodge: Police attacked with fireworks, masonry and trees
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45739409

@dgr The thread you've alluded to upthread is overwhelmingly attracting remainers

I suspect it's attracting a wide spread of MNetters - and this is how they really feel. I never bought the "everyone on Mumsnet is a Leaver" story.

Interesting to see how it's slipped past the trollbots. Unless they've been turned off, which wouldn't surprise me ? Clearly an oblique thread title, and not appearing in "Brexit" did the trick.

Still quite a few hopefuls expecting a 'normal' holiday 2 weeks after Brexit on another AIBU thread. The no means NO message isn't getting through and too many saying 'it will be OK'.
I said the holiday at EuroDisney will happen, just that flying to get there may not be as streamlined as now or not at all. I would hazard a guess that foot passengers on a ferry would be the most likely 'doable' thing as ferries will need to be sorted for basic food imports (whatever else happens) so it is mainly passports and visas.

LeClerc Plenty of posters on that travel thread taking the "ooh surely they wouldn't let anything horrid happen" tack. It's like everybody has regressed to small children believing in a fairy godmother. Just aaaaarrrrggghhh.

(Although I'm quite proud I killed the previous air travel thread proposing an actual, put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is, bet )

Tweet to Jo Maugham re today's Scottish Court judgement ( not announced yet)

Jo, do you mean 'overplayed' as in exaggerated? Or do you mean "underplayed" as in the full impact of the ruling has not been fully appreciated?

@faisalislam
The latter!

@tom_watson
Today I have written to Jeremy Hunt to ask what investigations are taking place into Russian attempts to influence the EU referendum. It's time we followed the money and the lies and held a Mueller-style inquiry into the subverting of our own democracy.

Brexit means that the UK becomes a non EU country?"
This morning DS enquired if the UK still stays part of the European continent after Brexit. After seeing far too many Daily Heil headlines, it is not such a stupid question. I patiently explained to him that the continental plates have not been moved by the referendum. Yet.
Has anyone else read Jose Saramago? He has a book about the Iberian peninsula drifting away from Europe.