Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

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We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

Checking into thread

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/historical-nonsense-underpins-uk-s-brexit-floundering-1.3630936

Tory MP Michael Fabricant reaches back even further, hoping that
prime minister Theresa May becomes “the new Boudica”,
perhaps forgetting that the Celtic leader poisoned herself after her failed uprising against Roman rule.

I loved the comment on that travel thread - oh it will all be fine you'll just need a visa. Like two weeks after brexit you'll just be able to walk into a post office or wherever and pick up a visa. A visa system agreed and set up and distributed in time for this lady to get one two weeks after we go off the cliff.

House prices on family homes still seem to be going up crazily here (central belt Scotland). There have been multiple bids on some and they have ended up selling for way over valuation, sometimes in a matter of days... No idea why other than lack of supply? We really want to buy but have missed out several times due to the bidding. Can’t help thinking this must be the top of the market though so maybe waiting would be sensible, but my gut feel is that we would be safer in our “own” home (currently renting) if bad times are coming.

@grahambsi
May planning to rush Brexit through parliament - Bloomberg | Reuters - The Brexiters consider Parliament to be a huge inconvenience

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may/may-planning-to-rush-brexit-through-parliament-bloomberg-idUKKCN1ME0BB

@Lewis_North90
Brexit turbulence: Thomas Cook changes its t&cs on compensation for flights grounded if we leave next March without an agreement on air travel. ⁦*@SarahLudford⁩ ⁦*@thomasbrake⁩ ⁦*@catherinemep*⁩

From woman's link, real motivation for May to stop procrastinating:

"Markets are expecting a deal in November, and analysts say sterling would likely fall if the talks slip further."

Thomas Cook rules out compensation for no-deal Brexit disruption

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption

British tourists travelling with Thomas Cook will not receive compensation or expenses should their flights be grounded as a result of a no-deal Brexit, the company has said.

The airline and tour operator, a specialist in package holidays, changed its terms and conditions to reflect the risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal, including on aviation.

Thomas Cook, based in Manchester, has designated a no-deal Brexit as being akin to other situations it cannot control such as “civil unrest or events arising out of political instability”,
in its conditions.
While the company will continue to refund the cost if a flight is cancelled, the change will mean it is not obliged to pay additional compensation.

Hello

has designated a no-deal Brexit as being akin to other situations it cannot control such as “civil unrest or events arising out of political instability
It's fucking awful, isn't it. There's some serious shit kicking off in NI.
And being trapped here with the may's Iron Curtain.
Bet they slap capital flight bans on pronto too, a la Erdogan.
If anyone can get out, I honestly would.
Including you red. Unless the primary is feeder to a stupendous secondary, I would let your little red enjoy the real nice world in the EU.

Given comments from the EU today is Canada +++ realistic? Would NI be the main sticking point? From what I've briefly read Canada deal looks less damaging?

I thought it was surprisingly quiet in the previous thread...

With a crash out, if I went in March, wherever I landed in EU would I be an illegal alien now?
I wonder how long one could feasibly take a 'brexit holiday'.?

Any deal requires the NI backstop

Once that's agreed, the Withdrawal Agreement should be pretty easy to sign off

That then means a transition period and negotiations post-Brexit for Canada+, Norway+ or whatever the UK chooses from the EU menu

woman My understanding is that any Brit who arrives in the E27 before Brexit day and immediately registers with the local authorities for residence, tax etc
would be allowed to stay, providing they can prove they are self-supporting

The EU has said existing UK expats should be allowed to stay and all govts have agreed to that, but to date not with centrally agreed common terms

What expats would lose, in the event of no deal:
FOM (to the 26 other EU countries), EHIC, healthcare for pensioners (if UK no longer refund it);
possibly UK credit cards won't work for a while, maybe even a delay in UK private pension payments.

Anyone with dual British-EU citizenship would of course continue to have the same rights as any other EU citizen,
unaffected by Brexit.

45 years ago you could travel to W Europe on a folded piece of card with a photo stuck on. I.e. the British Visitors passport, which you bought at the post office for a couple of quid and I think you must have had to produce your birth certificate. Or earlier, the wealthy doing the Grand Tour in the 18th Century, didn't need passports at all. They managed! I haven't heard any Leavers ask for this back, yet! . This just shows the stupidity of some arguments advanced by the Leave camp.

woman assuming you are there for a hols, then I don’t think what BCF wouod apply
Your situation would depend more on wether said country wouod expect you to havea visa to travel there as a British citizen.
At the moment, I’ve vaguely heard abiut a visa like Yiu need to go to the US but nothing about any implantation. So I wouod assume you wouod be OK??

It’s a good question though.

Anyone with dual British-EU citizenship would of course continue to have the same rights as any other EU citizen,
unaffected by Brexit.

I'm splitting hairs but they do lose some rights. For eg my dual nationality children lose their right to healthcare when visiting their British grandparents.

Red Wales so Leave I suppose but our constituency was Remain I’m told.

Holiday is obv different to expat status.

If you went before Brexit, but return is after Brexit, then EHIC might not work, also credit cards and of course tranport back.

Holiday after Brexit: wait and see before booking !

Misti I should have posted they won't lose rights in the EU

The NHS is just for residents (and emergencies) so I'm surprised your kids can use the NHS now
I lost the right after I had been here 3 months (I found that out after a minor ailment during a UK visit)
Has there been a law change I missed ?

woman You wouldn't be "illegal" if you flew out before 29 March, because you entered legally.
However, I'd suggest travel insurance including health, as EHIC may not work
and take plenty of Euros, in case credit cards don't work

If I had a spare room, I'd put you up, but my pre-Brexit interim apartment was chosen for having service and being on the Rhine path - I should have thought of space for refugee Westministenders !